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Collins looks piss poor because he’s being asked to just run around chasing lost causes and trying to get on the end of crap service. He’s not the best striker in the division but with the supporting acts we’ve got he should be a solid contributor. 
 
Let’s say Mac came in. He’d have the team actually passing to each other and moving in a way that creates openings. He’d probably start Waghorn because Waghorn is better at bringing others into play than Collins but Mac managed to get Sammon on the score sheet for some important goals and found a role for him late on in games… 

I disagree. Steve Mac came in, assessed the squad, and built a system around the players we had. Once we started playing to our strengths, we rocketed up the table.
I do agree we had no plan b at times, but I still think that fitting the system around the players you have is the way to succeed in football. Very, very few managers will have the luxury of having a squad of hand picked players, bought for their own system.
There's no shame in failing as a manager at a club. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, or bad manager. Clough failed at Leeds. Sometimes it just doesn't work.

But we'll get some decent fees if they do leave. That'll allow Warne to sign the rest of the Rotherham team.

You heard the man guys. We have to stop posting until full time. No more opinions on how things are going.

I totally agree that still having a club to support is more important than anything but there is something I don't hear many bring up.
Deep down we know that Mr Clowes probably doesn't have the money to fund us indefinitely in this division and getting promoted is probably very important in us retaining our facilities at their current level etc.
There could be some dread in the backs of people's minds knowing if promotion doesn't come soon enough we could be in a mess once again, or have to go through the process of trying to sell all or part of the club, and having deal with all the anxiety that comes with it.
you talk of your what the club means to you and your family and I think many people resonate with that and think deep down that we probably arnt out of the woods just yet, and put alot of emphasis on promotion being part of the clubs future stability. 

I totally agree that still having a club to support is more important than anything but there is something I don't hear many bring up.
Deep down we know that Mr Clowes probably doesn't have the money to fund us indefinitely in this division and getting promoted is probably very important in us retaining our facilities at their current level etc.
There could be some dread in the backs of people's minds knowing if promotion doesn't come soon enough we could be in a mess once again, or have to go through the process of trying to sell all or part of the club, and having deal with all the anxiety that comes with it.
you talk of your what the club means to you and your family and I think many people resonate with that and think deep down that we probably arnt out of the woods just yet, and put alot of emphasis on promotion being part of the clubs future stability. 

A combination of reasons I suspect.

I think that many folks had hoped that we'd be in a better position than we are, and people's reactions and ways of dealing with that can be very different. You see it at games too. Some folk are in a constant state of agitation and the team and manager can do not right, others kick every ball and have extremes of emotions both ways and others are much more matter of fact and others again may be relentlessly upbeat. I used to sit near a guy who must have felt completely drained after every game, he'd rant and rave at anything he didn't like and every throw in against us was a personal affront to him and 5 mins later would swear blind that we'd just scored the best goal in the history of football. A forum is just a cross-section of all that. It's not a problem to have that different take on things but sometimes we all need to just accept that ours is not necessarily the best or only way to view the current issue or game. Some many posts come over as "I'm right, you're wrong, you must hate the club and want us to lose/are a deluded happy clapper *delete as appropriate". Debate is good, but sometimes you are just not going to find common ground, so walk away and agree to disagree. It can sometimes be hard to read that point in the debate though I guess..

Also, performances and results are by any standards really erratic and that's frustrating because on a good day we look like we have the capability to really have a go this year an others look hopeless. We've swung from the demolition of 5th placed Peterborough on their own patch, to a really disappointing draw against the bottom side with a goal conceded against a team that hadn't seemingly scored since the time of the dinosaurs. Just when we see to have found a way to make this work, we seem to have a performance that brings us down to earth with a bump.

I think also that there is great deal of misunderstanding about what it means to criticise the team or manager on a forum. Some folk (and fair play em) will be ultra positive and seem to be really sensitive about anyone criticising the team, a player or the manager on a forum. The seems to be a belief that anyone questioning any of those things must just spend their time booing the team at games and keying players cars, whereas for many, the post match analysis isn't some kin of loyalty test, it's the equivalent of analysing the performance (good and bad) over a pint with your mates, nothing more, and very probably after spending the previous 90 mins shouting yourself hoarse supporting the team.

I'm not so sure we'd have beaten Bolton, even without the mistakes made by the ref. We'd gone ahead against the run if play, before the red card on 43 mins.
Allowing for the 2 minutes at the end of the half with 10 men, we had 31% possession that half. We made 58 successful passes in those 45 minutes. We had 4 shots to their 10.
People are hanging their coats on that awful refereeing performance, but before that red card we were still absolutely dire. 58 passes in 45 minutes has to be close to a club record of awfulness, surely. Bolton managed 187 in the same period.
We were absolutely dreadful.

I don't think we have 37 games to get it right.
We need to get it sorted soonest in order to try our best to sustain around the usual feb-march slump.
Warne is not helping himself with some of his comments about "really good players" coming into "good form". These views seem at odds with a large chunk of the fanbase.
I'm a big believer in reversion to the mean so I'm focusing on how performances are described. The progress of improvement seems very slow and the apparent Plan A looks rudimentary.
I would say so far this season we've scored more points than our performances have justified. Therefore, without more sustained improvement in our performances I fear we will slip further down the table.

Please feel free to do so, and continue to be « entertained ».

Plenty of teams in L1 play some decent stuff, more do than don’t now. The idea that L1 footie is not pretty is no longer true, it’s not the 2000´s anymore. Why should we not aspire to at least play some football?

I know Cocu has his haters, but I loved his willingness to give the younger players a go. On occaision he chose a youngster to bring on over an experienced player, and not always in easy situations. I cannot see Warne doing that. Players in the U18s/ U21s need to see that there is a path.  I don't understand the reluctance to use something which could save us a lot of cash and potentially generate a lot. I haven't understood that for a lot of Derby managers. I am not entirely convinced Warne takes that side of the club seriously. Bless him.

The way I see it, there are 2 completely separate aspects at work here.  Do I like what Warne is doing, and do I think he can be successful doing it.  I think it's obvious to everyone that's read my posts where I stand on the first - I think we should make the ball ours and it should mostly stay on the grass until we decide to kick it in their goal.  But I absolutely accept that there are other ways of playing. I didn't like the way Rowett set his team up, but he was reasonably successful because he set his team up well, recruited to fit it etc.  He had a sensible plan and executed it fairly well.
Regarding Warne, obviously I don't like the way he wants to play football.  I want to see us having the ball, controlling the game, dictating it ourselves rather than focussing on trying to stop them etc.  But beyond that, I do not believe that his particular type of gas-out football can be successful at higher levels, you can't just work harder, you have to work smarter.  You can probably get it to work at this level if you have good players (i.e. better than most of the other teams), which we saw at times last season, and he obviously managed at Rotherham.  But at Championship level, you're facing teams with pots of prem money and good players who will rip holes in you if you let them.  We aren't going to have better players than most of the league, and we aren't going to be able to outrun them all over the course of 46 games.  I think we're trying to build something that just will not work at the levels we want to be at.  That's why I'm so anti-Warne, it's not just about not liking the way his teams play.  (And for clarity, I think his particular type of football is *very* different to both the solid, pragmatic Rowett/Warnock types and the gegenpressing that Klopp-type teams do.)
And even beyond that, we aren't even executing WarneBall very well.  We don't have the players for it, we don't seem to be able to recruit players for it, the academy isn't (wasn't!) developing players for it.
I think more than anything, he was absolutely the wrong appointment at the wrong time.  It's unfortunate for him (because I think he was parachuted into a situation where he was pretty much doomed to failure), and unfortunate for us, because we're quite possibly stuck with him.

People can only judge what's in front of them. If it's rubbish then it will be judged accordingly.
To suggest people are enjoying this is just plain wrong.

If anyone thinks this drum is loud then they clearly didn't go to see Motorhead at Rock City. My ears are still ringing and it was about 15 years ago 😂

Good finish but don't let that paper over the cracks.

This - since George burley bar the odd signing from abroad we have barely ever tapped into other markets. I get the expenses involved with having a wider recruitment strategy but surely at some point we need to get better at recruiting from aboard once again. The club has done it successfully in the past. (Thinking burley and smith eras). 

I’ve just been out to watch the Fenix Trophy finals at the San Siro and can confirm that this would be absolutely class.

Don’t agree. If you can protect your box against aerial attack in this league - he does - you cut your goals-against in half, esp if you have a keeper like W’smith. Curtis doesn’t have to be so mobile if we use him right. Curtis, Fozzy and Cash at FB (Cash with licence to roam) gives us the solidity we need at the back

I think there's far to much being read into the "strange" injury comments.
In the context of a small squad losing vital bodies it seemed to me far more "argh I'm even losing them to non-contact injuries" frustration than an "I know he's faking it because he doesn't want to put the effort in" but I've not listed back to it since Tuesday.

It's a stick or twist decision. Sticking with Warne will cause a lot of damage to what we have left after years of mismanagement. The academy graduates in the first team will leave to Championship sides, and we'll go in to next season with just Wildsmith, Mendez-Laing, Barkhuizen, Hourihane and Collins from the current squad. All the investment in the academy will be wasted as none will be suited to Warne's style. Attendances will dwindle this season, and ST sales will be lower for next season. Academy recruitment will be damaged as youngsters won't see a pathway to the first team anymore.
The first team will be set back at least 1 year, more likely 2. The academy will go back to 2008 standard.

Bird, Knight and Sibley. That's potentially the future, and has been for a few years. Really need to play them together to see what we actually have. The balance isn't there with Hourihane and Smith we haven't seen enough of (especially in the deeper role he's better in).

Yup, confirmed
 

We've won 2 home games thanks to Houraine scoring from outside the box. He hasn't done this away, so it's his fault!
Whilst good at home, bad away, has been going on for a while now, this season is totally different.
We would win the Fleetwood and Charlton game 9 times out if 10 and we struggled to turn our dominance vs Shrewsbury into chances. Lincoln was a bad day at the office. Our away performances have probably deserved 5-7 points based on how the games went.
At home, our points have probably exceeded the way we played. All 4 teams we defeated could probably make a case for deserving a point at least. Our big crowd and support has probably helped us get over the line too.
So in summary, not much difference in performances. Just had a bit more luck/confidence at home where things haven't quite gone for us away.