chadlad

13 hours ago, Sparkle said:

We have not been winning games basically because we have been missing fairly easy chances in most of those games we didn’t win but drew in - score them and it’s a different situation completely 

Exactly this. While I would like to see us retaining the ball better, especially when we are winning, we had some excellent opportunities to seal the win with a 2nd or 3rd goal. I am unsure how we put this right because we can’t pay transfer fees at the minute. Putting the ball in the net is the hardest thing in football, ask Harry Kane!

The good thing is that we are creating more and better chances under Warne, I always thought chances created under LR were more like half chances due to the amount of time opponents were given to regroup defensively.

Wildsmith 7 great save in 2nd half. 

Smith 6 defended well, nothing going forward

Cashin 7 solid defending, passing radar off at times

Forsyth 8 excellent MOM

Sibley 7 good with the ball, not tested defensively

Dobbin 6 felt he lacked determination at times

Bird ? 7 got battered, played well

Barkhuisen 6.5 worked hard

Hourihane 6.5 looking fitter

McGoldrick 6.5 Wendies kept him quiet 

Collins 6 feeding off scraps, might have done better with 2nd half chance 

Subs, 6

Decent game despite no goals. We looked solid against a top L1 team. Onwards and upwards ⚽️?

19 hours ago, angieram said:

What do the PFA see in our Louie that some of our own fans do not, I wonder! ??

Thought he had a good game today at LB although he does need to get himself in the gym as he often gets muscled off the ball.

I hadn’t realised until the Newport County game what a superb crosser of the ball he is with that wand of a left foot and today once again against the Wendies he put in some excellent deliveries.

In a 442 he could well cement a place at LM but long term I don’t see him as a LB or a LWB.

Wildsmith 7 Good save in 2nd half, consistent kicking.

Smith 7 Did well out of position.

Cashin 8 Was up against some big lads and came out on top.

Forsyth 7.5 Would have been higher but for the silly penalty.

Mendez-Laing 8.5 Big contribution, important we keep him fit.

Bird ?7 Good positive performance, for me one of the first names on the team sheet.

Hourihane 7 Looked up for the challenge and delivered. 

Roberts 7 Looked comfortable, nice assist.

Sibley 6 Seemed easily dispossessed. Needs to bulk up a bit.

Osula 6 Looked like he was going through the motions, needs to learn from Collins

McGoldrick 9 Excellent, would have been higher but for the skewed clearance for their 1st goal.

Collins 8 Great to have him back, works so hard for the team.

Dobbin 6 End product/final ball is missing 

Thompson 6 Busy, a little short on confidence.

Wildsmith - 7 solid game, clean sheet

Chester - 6 injured

Cashin - 8 my MOM

Forsyth - 7 dependable

Mendez-Laing - 7 our best attacking player but not a wingback

Smith - 4 not for me, makes zero difference 

Bird - 6 prefer him at CDM

Hourihane - 3 shocking display

Roberts - 7 did well

Sibley - 6 should have done better with early chance

Osula - 5 needs more aggression in his game

McGoldrick - 4 half a yard off

Dobbin - 7 looked lively

Poor 1st half, much better in 2nd half. Time for a back 4 - NML needs to play in front of a RB.

On 22/10/2022 at 19:13, DavesaRam said:

There’s aspects of both Todd and MacFarland to his game!

 

What a guy!

He has Todd’s passing ability but not his turbo charger. He has McFarland’s heading ability but not his aerial dominance.

Love his attitude!

On 10/10/2022 at 08:13, Tamworthram said:

I don’t think anybody was happy with what they saw on Saturday. The officials were poor (but we’re not ultimately responsible for our defeat), we lost the game (largely down to the correct sending off of Collins) and the team as a whole (particularly the midfield) looked out of sorts. But, it’s too early to assume that’s what we can expect for the rest of the season. I agree the football was a lot more direct than the possession based slow build up we’re used to and this sometimes meant long balls lofted into the PV defence but it wasn’t always the case.

First half I agree, we played largely on the break but when we had the ball we passed it forward well, scored a superb goal and maybe should have scored 2 or 3.

In the 2nd half we were abysmal. Instead of trying to control the game by retaining the ball and playing it forward where possible, instead we hit and hoped by-passing our midfield.

Not good to watch.

14 hours ago, jono said:

The composure point is well made. If we were a team full of rufty tufties it would be understandable, but we have a group with good ball skills. They weren’t used to the extent they should have been. Yes, we need that sweet spot. pretty passing in our own half isn’t the answer but ball on the ground in the middle of the park will get us a lot further than losing at head tennis. 

When you have a midfield 3 of Bird, Knight and Hourihane it makes no sense for the ball to be flying over their heads.

12 hours ago, DavesaRam said:

Well at least its better than giving them the ball right on the edge of our area which we used to do all the time under Rosenior-ball!

But is it though?

I am not suggesting that we play kami-kazi keep ball, only that we should sensibly try to retain possession because if we don’t the ball just keeps coming back and sooner or later the opposition put it in our net like they did on Saturday. You are putting the whole team under pressure to defend, a factor in giving them not one but two penalties and goals.

I don’t want Warneball to be the same as Rowettball.

7 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

Lets give Warney a chance. He's not had two weeks yet to work with the players. See where we are and how we are playing around New Year before we have his head on a spike.

I was happy to give Rosenior this season to build his team from scratch and I will be happy to give Warne the same. Promotion from this League is not guaranteed and if we are in the mix at the end of the season it will be a massive bonus. 

 

Of course we need to get behind the team come what may but I can’t say I am particularly happy with what I saw yesterday.

I think many fans will quickly tire of route one football, how many times did our keeper kick it to their keeper or kick it long to a Vale player or out of play? May well just give them the ball back!

As others have said, the players we have are probably not suited to this style of percentage win the 2nd ball football…

1 hour ago, nick_d said:

Watched (on RamsTV) the Mansfield game, I know it wasn't our first X1, but was very disappointed in the way we allowed Mansfield to dominate after we scored.

Was at Pride Park today and loved the first 7-8 minutes, but then we went downhill and allowed Port Vale to dominate the rest of the game, much as Mansfield did on Tuesday.

Mitigating factors, yes the ref; After watching the Queen open Pride Park in 1997, I can't remember an away team having 2 penalties awarded to them outside of a penalty shoot-out, and I'm struggling to remember when we last had a penalty awarded against us at Pride Park.  However, how awful the ref was today (and he was appalling), what worries me is the response our current team has to any determined attacks against it.

I really hope that I am over-reacting to a disappointing loss, but I can't not ask the question:  are the current recently assembled squad who agreed to come to Derby County to play for the football Rooney and latterly Rosenior advocated, willing to play the style of football advocated by Paul Warne?

Well somebody needed to say it!

I was very underwhelmed by today’s performance. We scored a great goal on the break and then gave away a silly penalty. In the second half somehow managed to give away another penalty and had a player sent off.

Yes the referee was horrendous but we were very poor, ill disciplined and mostly played route one football.

Port Vale deserved to win, they were the better team and played the better football and enjoyed more possession.

Really not impressed with Warneball…

12 hours ago, Shuff264 said:

As last time, I make the "Qualifying Players" the below, we just need to pick 4 of the 10 outfield players from it (Its basically everyone barring Thompson).

Chester
Davies
Cashin
Mendez-Laing
Knight
Bird
Hourihane
Barkhuizen
Dobbin
Collins
Sibley
Forsyth
McGoldrick
Stearman
Smith
Dobbin
Roberts
Osula

Question is will he play both of the Dobbin brothers? ??

On 15/09/2022 at 12:56, chadlad said:

I don’t understand why so many people are leaving Max Bird out of their team because for me he is one of the first names on the team sheet.

With little help from fellow midfielders at times has looked like the only one playing there as Conor looks to prefer playing out wide and in any case has a habit of drifting in and out of games. Bird and Knight in the middle of the pitch with NML and Barks the wide men and McGoldrick in behind Collins. 
 

Right back is obviously the problem position, do you trust Oduroh with his inexperience and lack of height, or maybe the left footed Roberts. I would go with Roberts but thankfully I don’t pick the team.

 

What a fickle lot you are! ?

Wildsmith 7 - some good saves, looks to have improved the keeper position 

Chester 6.5 - at fault for their goal but got better as the game went on.

Knight 6.5 - average by his standards

Roberts 6 - did okay.

Cashin 7 - had a good game, great left foot.

Davies 6 - easing himself back, couple of errors but not costly in the end

McGoldrick 7 - not a target man, much better when Collins came on

Sibley 6.5 - lively, some good moments but…

Hourihane 8 - what can I say? Goals win games, would have been a 6 but for the goals

Mendez-Laing 7 - came on and changed the game

Bird ? 6 - needs consistent help from a central midfield partner

Collins 6.5 - busy when he got on and he allowed McGoldrick more space to show off his skillset 

Barkhuizen 6 - average performance, needs to improve that final pass/shot

Forsyth 6 - didn’t have enough minutes to give anything else but a 6

On 15/09/2022 at 11:40, Sparkle said:

We have the players to play 442 and play it well - sure we are a bit weak at right back but hey oh 

                              Wildsmith 

Onurah       Davies.           Cashin     Forsyth 

NML            Knight.           Smith.      Barkhauzen     
                        Collins  McGoldrick 

players like Sibley and Dobbin can drop in for MG whilst Bird and Hourihane can step in when the time is right whilst Rooney looks good enough to step in anywhere from right back central defence or central midfield. 
that’s a very experienced and no longer slow side. 

Don’t know why but I read that as Oh Norah! ?

13 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Max Bird has been poor this season. The Hourihane arrival hasn’t helped.

Both are far too similar. But Hourihane is a bigger goal threat and has been taking all the set-pieces presumably because he is better at them.

It means Bird’s role has diminished. He has been made captain, but he hasn’t actually contributed anything. 

When Smith came on against Posh we immediately looked far more threatening as he started playing the ball forward.

I think I can count on one had the amount of telling forward passes Bird has made per game, while he and Hourihane have been lightweight defensively and often outworked in midfield.

I have to disagree. Hourihane needs to play further forward, maybe as a No:10. He seems to be a luxury player who disappears  for long periods in a game but who nevertheless will pop up with the odd goal or assist. Bird and Knight in the centre of midfield with one of Sibley, McGoldrick or Hourihane in the No:10 role would be our strongest midfield lineup.

I don’t understand why so many people are leaving Max Bird out of their team because for me he is one of the first names on the team sheet.

With little help from fellow midfielders at times has looked like the only one playing there as Conor looks to prefer playing out wide and in any case has a habit of drifting in and out of games. Bird and Knight in the middle of the pitch with NML and Barks the wide men and McGoldrick in behind Collins. 
 

Right back is obviously the problem position, do you trust Oduroh with his inexperience and lack of height, or maybe the left footed Roberts. I would go with Roberts but thankfully I don’t pick the team.

Wonndering if he has a must play if fit clause in his contract ?

9 hours ago, angieram said:

A few observations about last night's match.

Horrible place to get to, and get out of, traffic-wise. Ground didn't cope well with the Derby fans, not enough infrastructure, too much stewarding that did nothing! I questioned the sit anywhere policy and was told they'd sold more tickets than seats so wasn't going to be a place for everyone anyway. Resulted in two rows of our fans standing on fence behind goal and up every gangway.

I thought we played without urgency but I disagree with the cause of that. It's not Bird slowing it down, he played some fantastic forward passes to Sibley early doors. It's when the ball gets to Hourihane - it's an unnecessary step sideways as it's already with our most dangerous players. He's a bigger luxury than Lawrence in that he hasn't got any end product and he never drops back and does his defensive work. Lawrence did both. Liam drops him and we start working again. 

I thought Collins was offside and Mendez Laing wasn't. But officials seemed keen not to favour the 'big' club. We're seeing that time and time this season and it isn't going to change.

Penalty looked soft to me. A much stronger body check on Knight in second half not even a free kick (one of many), yet that a penalty? I don't see it. It's inconsistent. 

I lost my temper with Rosenior over the substitutions (sorry for the swearing!) Taking Sibley off, when he was creating, leaving Hourihane on when he was doing nothing. No way should a booked Hourihane stay on over Bird either. What for? A crap free kick that led to yet another counter attack from Lincoln. Look how many of those started from Hourihane losing or being too casual with the ball.

Cybulski currently could do a better job up front than Osula. Dobbin not strong enough, either, but he was occasionally wriggling away from his defender, played better than his replacement who should have done better with his one chance (did nothing after that.) 

Davies was off the pace but he was right to have a go back at the bloke giving him the w***** sign at the end of the game.

I thought Lincoln were strong, organised, fit and up for it. So were their fans, impressive all round. ??

Rosenior needs to wise up quickly to what wins games away from home in Division Three. Liam, here's a clue - it ain't pretty football.

Things must be bad if angieram is kicking off! ?

Depressing result last night and there is no denying that football is a results based business. A manager is judged on results and that is true not just in football, so Liam wake up and smell the coffee. If that means playing percentage football for a while, looking for knock downs and 2nd balls, then so be it there is no shame in it and it is still football, though not as we know it.

However in the interest of balance our two offside decisions look very dubious on the highlights, particularly the NML decision. Their penalty was harsh but JK should be better than that, especially in our own box. Their 2nd was very scruffy.

We had more than 60% of the possession, a number of good chances and yet lost 2-0. Football can be tough at times and while we are trying to play in the “right” way we need a win

Who would be a football manager eh!

10 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

Thought Rooney would have made the bench.

Same here, covers CD & CDM

33 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

I don't see the need to rush and think it's too early. He's done some good things and some bad things. I'd like to see more of the good things and have us much higher up the table (as a consequence) before making things permanent. Hopefully he'll get us there.

I presume that any new deal would be subject to current EFL restrictions, therefore his existing contract may have a higher salary than a new “permanent” contract.

8 minutes ago, jameso said:

For me getting Roberts to play in a position he isn't used to and on his least favoured side is unnecessarily complicating things. (Elsewhere I suggested Rooney as a possibility at RB, but I have him as a right-footer at least).

If the RB wasn't required to be solid in possession, I think Stearman's name would come into it... after Chester and/or Davies are fit, anyway.

I like your front six though! ?

Right footed defenders do have to play at left back, so why not the reverse. Roberts is a good player and would not be targeted aerially as Oduroh would be. Rooney could maybe play the position.

Football is a simple game and I sometimes think that we are making it unnecessarily complicated.

My team would be 442 or 4231 if you put NML and Barks either side of Sibley.

                   Wildsmith

Roberts.  Stearman.   Cashin.   Forsyth.

NML.     Knight.      Bird.      Barkhuisen

                        Sibley

                        Collins

Subs: Loach, Rooney, Hourihane, McGoldrick, Dobbin, Osula

One poor game and all is doom and gloom. I don’t get the criticism of Bird on here, for me he is one of the first names on the team sheet. It’s obvious that we were missing some legs in midfield against Argyle, Knight and Sibley would go some way towards solving this problem and both offer potential for goals.

Not sure why many people feel that Roberts can’t play RB as he seems to have two good feet.

Hourihane seems to disappear for long periods, maybe a fitness issue so on the bench.

Wildsmith 6.5 solid enough game

Knight 7 his agression, running and tenacity were missing from our midfield

Forsyth 6 steady

 Cashin 6.5 would have been more but mainly responsible for 2 of their goals

Stearman 7 steady

Dobbin 6 apart from the boots I didn’t notice him

McGoldrick 7.5 class while he was on but needed to come off

Sibley 6 disappointing 

Hourihane 5 anonymous 

Mendez-Laing 8.5 great goal, beast.

Bird ? 6 too quiet, needs to impose himself

Collins 7 scored, worked hard.

Barkhuizen 6.5 disappointing after good recent performances

Thompson 4 needs time out, confidence looks to have gone

Osula 6 unlucky with referee’s decision soon after coming on, looked promising 

Not sure why we looked shattered after 10 minutes of the 2nd half. We looked short of energy and aggression in midfield, subs  didn’t seem to help. Knight in centre midfield please Liam.