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4 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

Weren't we after buying him? Before Brentford? Perhaps our scouting isn't that bad, perhaps it's down to who we choose to sign!

yes rumours were that we were interested but not enough to buy him ....our scouting is poor judged not just by Watkins ....that was an example of where / why we didn't go for him?? if he was on our radar then why didn't we get him ? i heard was over a 3m fee....but Brentford payed it.so we didn't rate him that much yet pay 4.5m for dross like Anya who was supposedly proven at watford and scotland so somewhere alomg the line its falling down hence the overhaul/ rethink is necessary IMO ..who was the last player we signed by being scouted that went onto bigger things and earnt us money ? we seem to be able to spot talent at an early age Bird,Knight,Buchanan etc but fall short in other areas and it needs sorting

in Nigels days there are plenty of good examples Martin,Russell,Bryson,Brayford,Barker to name a few ....

17 hours ago, Jourdan said:

It’s all about the intent. Identifying a problem and trying to fix it.

If one player - Bielik - is viewed as enough to make a difference, why can’t one scout with the right kind of knowledge and track record?

People keep saying we need January and we need players who will make a difference. How are we going to find those players if not with good scouts?

I agree our scouting network is rubbish but you make it sound like one scout and hey presto ....the whole scouting recruitment team and network needs a proper overhaul where it isn’t jobs for the boys 

scouting to me means un-earthing talent from lower leagues or maybe a youth player in a prem side or even a bit of foreign talent but some see it as players that are well known and cost a packet prime examples are Watkins and Toney and I know the Brentford model is over used as an example and that is maybe to the detriment of some as they scrapped there academy in favour of trying to spot/scout talent further down the leagues and abroad and they’re doing a fine job but as I said it did mean scrapping there youth teams and academy 

I,m not going to bang on about how crap our scouting is because I’ve said it too much on previous threads  but all I,m saying Jourdan is that one scout will not make one iota of difference in the grand scheme of things and where we are at the moment 

when and if someone takes over I hope and really hope out whole scouting department is overhauled and  we see some positive results from it 

Rooney is in no position at the moment to start instructing an overhaul of anything as he is in limbo no doubt like the rest of us wondering what’s going to happen .....nothing will be resolved or moved forwards until we are on a sound footing again ....thanks Mr Morris

Defensively shakey tonight and Barnsley deserved there win 

they had a younger side than us tonight and it showed against some ageing legs 

also Morrison …yes a good player but he does seem to over complicate things when an easy through ball is on it’s all well and good seeing a thread of the needle pass when it’s required but tonight again he delayed the obvious pass to try and do something different I wasn’t impressed tonight 

Lawrence tries but actually doesn’t do much and poor old Fozzy had a stinker aided by a keeper beaten at his near post 

I’m glad Morrison is not eligible for Millwall but it needs to improve as it’s very worrying how we seem to have gone backwards in last few games

also Rooney was right to criticise the performance after but the problem is he really doesn’t have many different options to change things about 

3 hours ago, Jourdan said:

A new scout is beyond the realms of possibility, is it?

What ?? one scout??? You think one scout will make a difference ….all you do is moan all of the time …I sometimes think you’re just a wum 

2 hours ago, Jourdan said:

Why is it laughable? Forest were bottom of the league when Hughton left. They had won 1 in 13 league games dating back to April, losing 8 of those. Poor, negative, flaccid football had been a feature. Morale was on the floor and disgruntlement rife, and a previously accomplished manager at this level found his reputation very much damaged. I am not seeing the appeal yet, are you?

On the face of it, yes, a big club, but with question marks over the owner, the transfer strategy and the size and make up of the squad, it can’t have been an easy sell.

I can comprehend very well the restrictions Rooney is and has been working under. Perhaps we just have different ideas on just how debilitating they are.

Entrenched? Me? No. It just takes more to impress me than 4 wins in 30.

How can you compare Florist and us? As usual you’re making it sound comparable and yet the only comparison is league positions …that’s it!! don’t think they’re on an embargo are there? Players not paid? very thin squad? bereft of strikers ? Absolute nonsense ….whether Rooney is right for us or not he has been magnificent in how he’s dealt with the rubbish he’s had to deal with …in his first job …he hasn’t jacked it in or run away he’s stayed and remained dignified and that’s what we needed …we would’ve been in an even bigger mess if we had no manager no one pulling in players on short term deals etc etc he has been dealt a very difficult hand and to me is handling it well when we needed some form of stability when everything else was falling around our ears …give  the bloke a break he may not be right for us long term but I’ve welcomed his loyalty and shouldn’t be over scrutinised as this juncture that time will come but not now….just give the bloke a break for pity’s sake !!

Also what good signings Gary Micklewhite and Geraint Williams were and we didn't overpay from QPR and Bristol Rovers respectively unless I'm mistaken.

What we'd do for a striker like Dean Saunders now....... his partnership with Goddard was the best I've ever seen at DCFC and although Harford was a good tough old CF he never replaced Goddard for me 

5 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

If Alonso had put in an offer i'm confident he'd be a Number 2

it may be how i've interpreted it but i just though top 2 meant you could be 1 or 2 and top 3 the same 1,2 or 3 i don't think he wanted to be drawn into who was in pole position 

4 hours ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

Did anyone else pick up on the fact that when asked if Kirchner was in pole position Hosking said "he is probably in the top 2 or 3".

So someone must be in top 1 then.

 

I didn't take it like that....i thought when asked he meant he's in the top2 or 3 meaning he could be number 1, 2 or 3 

29 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

Completely different David. What I’m interpreting from your comments is anybody wear X brand is a Neanderthal thug, that’s completely wrong and poor imo 

I get where David is coming from when you wear a stone island item to football you’re basically either trying to look tough or make others think you’re a hooligan and although maybe some aren’t it makes them feel tough and creates an impression 

but considering the above and you were a normal law abiding good citizen who has no intention of causing it being involved in football trouble would you wear the stone island gear? You may have some stone island clothing but I’ve been to hundreds of Derby games and the general rule of thumb is if you wear that sort of thing to football you’re giving an impression of yourself so don’t wear it 

let’s not kid ourselves here most of the youngsters who wear probably fake SI gear bought from eBay are usually wannabe look at me I’m hard  idiots 

3 hours ago, hintonsboots said:

Would this 105 million be in addition to the £100 million or so of soft loans that Mel is allegedly writing off ??

I have no idea I wish I was there to ask more questions but my mate only asked a few questions and didn't want to seem like he was interrogating him the man didn't go into details but did say that the figure is around that  105m I asked if he said anything about PP and training ground etc but again he didn't mention it ...I find the 30m figure surely wrong but all he said was built up over a few years including hospitality and mentioned hotel expenses....very strange doesnt seem true that part but he is genuinely quite high up in the admin team and didn't realise my mate was asking questions on my behalf....one thing i do know is the colleague i spoke to today is extremely genuine and had no reason to make things up but like most on here I think that 30m part must be wrong

Ok ...I.ve never been one to say I'm ITK as I'm not but a good friend of mine was out with someone this weekend who is heavily involved as part of admin team and because my mate knows I'm a Ram got some interesting bits of info after a few beers apparently.

Not loads of info and maybe some is known or old news  but thought I'd share anyway

The debt is 105m and there are at least 6 parties very interested in taking over and looks promising ...

Mike Ashley is 100 per cent one of those interested parties what i did find hard to believe was he said that 30m was owed to large chains of hotels for accomodation / hospitality /  away trips etc which seems excessive but says has built up over many years .....also said the club has been run very poorly but think we already know that

there was two or three occasions last night where he could've passed it a lot earlier but one ended up with Knights goal he's a tremendous talent but maybe needs to learn that he can't always run past someone and maybe pass a bit earlier but still a talent 

9 hours ago, Sufferingfool said:

Allsopp has looked good since coming in. The second goal was a very good cross right in the area of uncertainty he came but it was too good and their big forward got above the defence to score. If he had stayed and they scored then he would have also been criticised. If we had scored that goal we would be praising the quality of the ball in and the finish. Hope he is still in on Saturday.

His reaction after the goal told you everything...he knows he should not have been beaten to the ball ...lets not forget when a keepers arms are full length he should get above even the tallest striker but he didn't and was an error you're implying it wasn't

3 hours ago, Yani P said:

That is a tad harsh thought Lawrence was superb tonight...all over the park he scored set up the 2nd and was involved all game..best player on the pitch for me..

Yes Lawrence was good I’m not disputing that but with Tom if he just lifted his head up sometimes and played an easier ball or doesn’t shoot from miles out when they’re better options he’d be fantastic 

Lawrence is so frustrating …at 2-1 he had two chances in a couple of mins to play the easy right pass and we have scored to go 3-1 up…decided to cross to CKR when should’ve squared it to two or three running into box and then a min later shot from way out when he had forward runners ….yes Allsop had a mare tonight but Toms decision making leaves a lot to be desired and is sometimes the difference between 1 or 3 points 

39 minutes ago, Oldben said:

I would not blame Rooney for walking way from Derby given our current situation.

I wonder who would be brave enough to become derbys new manager if that happened.

Here's the scenarios ...

1. New manager arrives, then new owners arrive so likely to be removed from job as they want their choice of manager, not great on that managers resume

2. New manager comes in but efl want reduced wage bill at Derby so offered less than any other manager in the championship to take the role, already a struggle with club in current position to attract a new manager so who could Derby get

3. Rooney leaves and the players stop performing because know one is there to motivate them

4. Any loss of form is a loss of points, Derby are relegated

5. Rooney could be interested in leaving Derby for a Premier league club with stability and a decent size budget, Rooney might have been told already that there's zero transfer fund in January for Derby.

If Derby are relegated then in my opinion they stop being of interest to any perspective New owners given their debts and the club goes out of business.

 

I bet you’d be a ball at parties !!

55 minutes ago, Ramfan1958 said:

Give Mel some slack he did what he thought was best for the RAMS yes it hasn't worked out  but its easy to be wise after the event.

Everyone makes mistakes in buisness but he made his with the club he supports at heart , if he hadn't been a RAM perhaps his judgement would have been far better.

I'll shake his hand the next time I see him.

Shake his hand? wow...lol....he has taken us into administration and owes the HMRC a few bob lets say....total and utter incompetence....give him some slack??? he was supposed to look after our club we thought we were in safe hands ....couldn't have made a worse job of running our club if he tried.....or perhaps you can think of something else which is worse that he could've done ....I can't

On 10/10/2021 at 17:17, CaptainOakley said:

Yet another completely pointless signing, we could have used the money at the time to sign a decent striker, I remember all the fans borderline demanding we signed him based on absolutely nothing at all.  
 

Be suprised if we get £2m in our pockets for him, no doubt be on a decent wage too so wouldn’t be surprised if he runs his contract out and we don’t get a penny. 

Thats the Spirit !!! 

Mike Ashley is thoroughly disliked by a lot of geordies and a toon fan living in Derby said careful what you wish for but ….

Like him or not he ran Newcastle like a business and I’d give my right arm for that at our club …I don’t beleive Newcastle was right for him but at this moment in time I think he’d be good for us …he’d steady the ship and give Rooney some funds no doubt …you have to look at the two clubs separately 
Newcastle : massive fan base and high expectations of winning the league based on what exactly ? Ashley still supplies funds for some hefty transfers yet net spend was 10m apparently…for me not the right fit

Derby: crying out for some cash input and stability and at a reported 25m is peanuts to Mike Ashley …he could takeover put some money in keep us afloat and inject some new life into the club and still run it like a business like he did at Newcastle …I hear the fans at Newcastle and a lot didn’t like him but is he such a bad fit for us ? Really? At least we’ve heard of him and know he’d hopefully be here for a few years and not asset strip the place 

I think at this moment in time the Rams is a good fit at the right time  for both parties 

just my views 

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2 hours ago, Jourdan said:

I don’t disagree.

It is gutting to see what a mess Mel has left behind.

But if a self-described fan of the club, who was once worshipped and considered ‘one of our own’, could be so reckless and act with such self-interest, surely you can see why some might be wary of anyone else in a significant position or with duty of care at the club.

Indeed Rooney is saying all of the right things, but time will tell if he is true to his word.

What exactly would convince you that Rooney is genuine ....maybe you’d be happier if he walked away?... would that please you.? No ....just give you something else to gripe about ......Rooney could just walk and I for one would be gutted ....and I was criticising him not long ago...but when we need stability as the foundations seem to have taken a serious knock...wouldn’t you say? He’s still here and says he’s going nowhere and I for one applaud him ...get of his back mr cynical and see that what he’s doing is credible .....as he said he could go on holidays etc but he cares about the players and staff here ...so give yourself a break from moaning and get behind him ...if you dare be positive 

On 21/09/2021 at 07:26, Boycie said:

Wish my coffee machine did the same.

Wouldn’t it taste better if you ordered coffee rather than ink ?

There is one thing that to me is in excusable…NOT PAYING HMRC…..he’s supposed to be an astute businessman yet fails to pay the tax bill ….if he had cleared this and left then so be it…but to try and get a buyer to take on his debts to the HMRC is laughable …imagine any of us getting a job and the employer saying oh by the way the previous incumbent didn’t pay his taxes so you’ve got to pay them ….joke …no sympathy …taken us into admin and he’s not short of money ….good riddance and before anyone says he spent money he tried his best …we as fans trusted him as the club was under his control to run it properly …not run it into the ground!!!!! ?

4 hours ago, Jourdan said:

It is the life of a celebrity.

They have agents, they have management teams, they have advisors.

When you reach that status, your life is basically micro-managed to make sure you look good. Rooney only does what is best for Rooney, or at least that’s what his team will be thinking.

If he’s paying for away travel and accommodation out of the kindness of his heart, all credit to him.

But it wouldn’t really add up given his relationship with Mel and the board, would it?

Good Grief!!! You really are something else ....Mr Cynical...so Rooney does something really good and out of his own pocket and its PR related !!!!! Just hate it when something decent is turned into something else......Not everyone does things because PR management say so...not everyone who is famous follows what PR people say like brain dead lemmings............

If it was PR related it would've been much better publicised...or did his PR team say don't worry....someone will mention it on the DCFC Forum pmsl

12 hours ago, DerbySmog said:

Yeah by trying to make sure owners don't run the clubs into the ground and the EFL act to protect clubs. What a **** as you put it. Ironically Derby could do with a chairman like him now. Compare Derby's last 35 years to Boro's (that's how long he has been there) 

is that what Gibson's doing then?? Trying to safeguard Derby County??? trying to make sure we're ok !! pmsl......There's plenty of clubs bending the rules slightly we aren't the only ones...I would not have your hero Gibson anywhere near DCFC we've had enough shysters running the club.....he's been very vocal about us......don't think he's the knight in shining armour you portray him to be Ben