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19 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

What do you see Tyler? Genuine question. Let’s not focus on his past, or that he is a nice man. What have you seen in his (nearly) 12 months at Derby that makes you think Warne is a good coach, strategist, recruiter, motivator, etc. 

That's the thing that gets me. Where's the selling point? Most of the defence of him has been through non-negative arguments rather than positive ones; needs more time, need to aim for stability or he needs better players. 

To be clear I don't think he's a bad manager. I just don't think he's a good fit long term and it's not working for him in the short term.

6 minutes ago, VulcanRam said:

Well I enjoyed the day out at Bolton (well, a few miles away from Bolton), my first visit to that stadium. Good stadium, setup, home fans were very vocal. Seemed quiet in the away end. Lots of bars and restaurants in the area.

Positives from the game were that I thought we defended really well when under the cosh for long periods, and it took a fluke goal to beat us. Defenders were solid and Vickers made what looked like from the other end a couple of very good saves. I heard some criticism on the radio about players not putting a shift in - from my angle they all gave it 100%. Forsyth and Nelson had good games. Bradley did well other than his ricket. Thought Hourihane had a decent enough game. Fornah looked terrible first half out of position but much better when he was moved back. This is, of course, all in the context of the match and how were set up, if indeed we were set up in any particular way.

I was impressed with how Evatt set Bolton up, they played good football. They lacked a killer edge and looked a little ropey at the back on the odd occasion we tested them, which doesn't quite put them in the Plymouth/Ipswich bracket from last season, but they're a good side who will be up there. 

Referee: As some of you know I ref at county league level so may (or may not) be able to offer some insight. He's got the first big decision of the game wrong - he's decided Elder is fouled but given where Derby are should have waited a couple of seconds and given the goal. He's blown far too early and luckily we scored the penalty.

I think that has clearly influenced the way he managed the Wildsmith incident as this time instead of blowing up as soon as he saw the handball he has  waited to see if the Bolton players scores into an empty net. As soon as he doesn't, he blows for the foul. Having indicated a foul, he has made up his mind and the red can come out there as it's deliberate handball stopping an obvious goalscoring opportunity (DOGSO). Given that it's such a big decision, he has a word with his assistant, and he'll be asking him whether he saw anything that would change his mind. If, as it turned out, the assistant couldn't say one way or the other, the ref sticks with his decision. It was actually good refereeing.

Their penalty. Only VAR could say whether it was in or out of the box. We don't have VAR and it looked to me and everyone around me that it was a penalty, so it's hard to criticise too much. 

Derby penalty appeals in the second half: The "handball" when the player is falling over and the ball hits his hand is not handball. The rules clearly state that if a player is putting an arm out to stabilise himself and its not deliberate, then it's not handball. The potential penalty when NML tangles with their number 5 was 50/50 - it was both players fighting for the ball but the defender did have his arm at neck height on NML so maybe. But I felt the one on Bradley was an absolute stonewall. Defender not looking at the ball as it comes across and just hauls him to the ground. It was a far more blatant foul than the one we got the peno for. So poor refereeing. 

Derby - tactically shambolic. No notable shape or patters of play. Players looked like they weren't sure who was meant to be where. I get why Warne put Bradley on ahead of Cash. I was frustrated second half as we were on the ropes and both Warne and Barker were sitting down and we had no-one standing and organising/encouraging etc. Putting JJ on at the end and not putting him through the middle up against their lumbering number 5, who was always the last man in a 3 and had already been booked, was criminal.

There is a clear pattern emerging this season against teams that play football and I'm afraid there was nothing in that game, against one of the promotion front runners, that convinced me Warne is up to the task. Equally, he is being hamstrung by injuries and yesterday we didn't get the rub of the green, although we certainly could have helped ourselves with some organisation, composure and some time spent in possession of the football. Warne isn't going to suddenly change his mantra, we can only hope though it is more effective when we have a fully fit squad, if that ever happens.   

Sorry, that was a much longer post that I'd anticipated!

Sorry for picking up on a very small point of your post but I've seen this sentiment floated in a bunch of places. 

At what point do we cast a critical eye at why we've consistently had a large injury list under Warne ? And especially concerning is the growing number of injuries amongst young players ? The thing is I can't say I'm entirely surprised.

The way we play is highly physically demanding, it's a lot of running for the sake and an almost complete lack of control at times. It can lead to high fatigue levels and therefore a higher chance of injury (there is a reason why distance metrics and minutes played are closely monitored by the fitness teams at high level clubs). This is compounded by that Warne's management of player fitness has been frankly poor; players often play beyond the point of being knackered and there is minimal rotation when options are available.

There is also a more tenuous potential contribution of why in particular we've being seeing injuries to younger players. Muscle takes time to build and provides a certain element of resilience to injury for example it's possible to have no acl but still play if the leg is strong enough. Also physical training does promote strengthening of ligaments and tendons but it takes a long time. Its possible that the younger players are being exposed to a level of consistent physical demand that put simply they aren't ready for.

32 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

So we bring a new manager in immediately after the main transfer window has slammed shut and you consider this to be the best timing.

Naturally the squad we have should be plying their trades in the Champions League. 

The best time to let him go would have been at the end of last season. 

There have been better times but now isn't a terrible time to let him go. Probably not going to happen but I do think it's likely a mistake persisting with him.

20 hours ago, S8TY said:

I don't get how a lot don't seem to rate Hourihane ? I'm one that does and think he deserves his place, he knows where the goal is and that is a good trait as a midfielder and wouldn't be surprised to see him get 7-10 goals if Fornah is sitting deeper to cover 

I think both the people who rate him and don't rate him talk about two sides of the same coin. 

He really can meaningfully impact a game but he also often goes completely missing. He's largely a luxury player but we just haven't really played him as such which exercerbates his faults and tbh downplays his strengths a little. 

19 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

In the right system Hourihane would flourish. Box-to-box with high defensive responsibility is not the right role for him.

It's something I've largely felt since he's joined but I think at this point in his career he should be thought of as a 10 primarily. 

He's too peripheral to play elsewhere right know but he does still have the ability to really effect games by getting into scoring opportunities and with his final ball.

8 minutes ago, Yoxoram said:

Unbelievable. Two wins in a row and still people out there unhappy. The anti Warne brigade must have been really sad after our win yesterday.

I mean..... I didn't come to the conclusion of not think he was the right person for the job off the back of a few bad games nor will I change my mind after to two wins. I didn't think he was the right person  after last season.

But of course I enjoy winning and I would like to be wrong about Warne and have said as much on several occasions.

1 hour ago, angieram said:

That's an interesting comment,  because everyone used to say that the ball bounced off Waggy, too.

Can it be taught or is it a confidence issue?

Asking because I have never played football. 

I do think it's important to note that Waghorn has never played at this level before. So I think a couple things could be going on in conjunction.

At this level a less than great touch is less likely to lead to immediate dispossession, so someone like Waghorn who may occasionally take a bad touch is less likely to get punished especially as he's a physical player who can fend off an amount of pressure.

Space is also easier to come by and defenders worse, meaning more scoring opportunities and more opportunity to affect the game than he's used to.

And that's the key thing because this isn't what he's been used to, now playing in it is likely to breed a real sense of confidence in him. With confidence it means he's less likely to overthink a pass into him or overthink a chance to score.

4 hours ago, Jourdan said:

If Warne wanted young, athletic, dynamic players, then the recruitment team have either failed the brief or there have been obstacles or circumstances which have made attaining that kind of player more challenging.

Now given that Mark Thomas arrived earlier in 2023 and had months to plan for the summer window, it is safe to assume that there was time for Warne to get his messaging across and make sure everyone was on the same wavelength.

It seems to me that the budget has dictated what kind of player we can attract and it seems to me that the recruitment team have chosen not to bring in that idealised profile of player because the ones within our budget would leave us having to take a massive gamble on their quality.

Perhaps we are in a position where we have opted for the experienced, proven choice (Bradley, Nelson, Elder, and so on) because the players we would have recruited in an ideal world are either too expensive or too raw to build a side with promotion aspirations around.

 

The thing is Warne by most indication has had an active hand in the recruitment and at the very minimum signed off on them. He's set about the strategy of going for experience maybe in the better chance of promotion. 

I have doubts that signing strategy couldn't have brought him closer to his goals stylistically. But let's put that to that one side for one moment. I can understand that you make compromises in the window but if you do end up thinking it's better to sign players who don't quite fit your plan A but still consider them as first team surely you have to reassess the plan tactically ? 

This is the thing that gets me. Even if he has had external difficulties a lot of them are exacerbated by his actions or inaction. I think he's being painted as someone with this great hard job when tbh he probably got the easiest hand dealt at the club when he joined to any manager for a while.

1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said:

If I'm being optimistic these comments, along with a few others do feel a little like somebody who is preparing their excuses for when things go wrong and they come to a mutual agreement with the owner to move on! 😄

That thought had crossed my mind as well.

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

From that interview, the first topic of discussion feeds into what @brady1993 keeps saying.

When asked are these players being able to play his system, Warne's response: "I don't think we're losing due to tactics or player deficiencies... or a flaw in the system". To me, this is a concern that he didn't categorically deny it, and cannot see the very obvious reason why we have been struggling so far against top half opposition, especially when he has signed 8 players specifically for his system.

Its a nagging concern I've had about him from the off is that his view of tactics is narrow and simplistic, so he cant correctly diagnose when something is wrong to change it. The solution always seems to be work harder/be better/get the ball forwards faster. 

5 hours ago, Jourdan said:

Is it that Warne is not being sensible, or is that the budget is the difference between getting what’s desirable and getting what’s attainable?

But any way you look at it it's flawed. So you have a way of playing in mind:

1) Start by trying to sign players to fit that system, can add quality, hit the ground running and are good characters 

2) If that's not possible then you've got 4 reasonable options:

A) Hold off signings and promote from within 

B) Sign players who are more raw but can be developed into the idea you 

C) Flex around character 

D) Sign Good players who are available and re-shape tactically to what you can get 

Warne has chosen the worst of all worlds where he's rigidly sticking to a way of playing despite it not fitting what we had before and also signing players who don't fit that way of playing.

If im being harsh these comments along with a few others do feel a little like somebody who's getting their excuses in early and deflecting from his own role in the shaping of the squad and matchday performance.

I'd say I'm somewhere between 1 and 2 in actuality. But if I'm being coldly rational, with the caveat of im not considering the financial side of things, I think it's best for the club if we moved on. 

I just don't think he's demonstrated evidence that he's the right person to build the club towards sustainable success. And has showed quite a bit to the contrary. 

I think the key thing that's missed in a lot of this is keeping him isn't a neutral action even if results aren't catastrophic. The blunt truth is we've regressed in several areas since he's taken over and there is evidence a fair bit of this is down to his decisions in some areas or lack of action in others.. Some of this regression is already playing out and some of it will hit us in a couple years. 

I think the following is a likely scenario under Warne going forwards this season. Bird leaves, Cashin leaves (possibly Sibley too) and are replaced with short term fixes. Academy products are underdeveloped and potentially leave. One or more key players sustain major injuries due to inadequate fitness management. We end up finishing the season in the top 10 but quite likely outside of the playoffs.

So a season on, still in league 1 with a declining talent pool and an aging squad.

Whilst I can appreciate where some of the comments around giving him the full season come from, at what point do you cut your losses?

No manager has a season that's unconditionally supported. There's always a break point. A lot of it has to do with morale of the squad and at a certain point it gets really difficult for the same manager to break a team out of it and it needs to change.

Like do you realistically think Warne can survive say being on 10pts at the 10 game mark? 

Do you retain him if it means losing the likes of Bird and Cashin with maybe a couple signings coming in at a similar quality that has been done this window so far?

At a certain point retaining becomes chasing a sunken cost.

1 minute ago, duncanjwitham said:

Does anybody actually think that means spend 4 years in League one then get promoted though?  I've always taken that to mean go up within the first 2, or maybe 3, years and then spend 2 or 3 years getting established in the championship - i.e. building a comfortable top half squad so we can kick on.  The longer we spend at this level, the harder it is going to be to get out of it.

If Clowes was happy to sit in League 1 for 4 years there isn't a chance in hell he'd shuttled out Rosenior last year and replaced him with someone who's supposed primary selling point is getting out of league 1.

If he was happy to take time in League 1 he could have let things play out for a year with Rosenior, seeing if it clicked and all the well get the behind the scenes infrastructure right and beginning to really scout for the best fit for the job. All the messaging even by Warne has been with an eye on a relatively fast promotion.

Personally I wouldn't be patient but I'm of the opinion that'd I've let Warne go at the end of last season and these few games haven't really moved the needle on my opinion.

With that said I do suspect we will improve from where we are right now and probably end up somewhere inside the top 10 if Warne gets a full season. But I'm operating under the caveat that Warne eventually flexes some part of his ethos. The only thing that conflicts with that and really niggles me (beyond my concerns from last season) is that he starting to blame things on factors that are either external or not the problem, which is often a sign of someone who's ran out of ideas.

8 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said:

Exactly this.  In my view we need a Eustace-type in midfield.  A clam head who gets the ball and then gives it to the others.  Can slow the pace of the game when it seems like others are losing their heads.  Who can bring a bit of composure.  We seem in too much of a hurry to get the ball forward without someone taking the time to look around them.

If I only had money for one more signing it would be a player in that sort of role.  If you add that, it will help get the best out of this in front of them.

We literally have that player already if we choose to deploy him correctly in Bird. 

Remember hurrying the ball forwards is the intent not a mistake by individuals. 

7 hours ago, SK47 said:

It wasn't just mcgoldrick though.. it was Hourihane, NML, Smith, Barks, all players that had genuine class.. I just don't understand how we managed to get them last year on no budget.. yet these types of players have somehow disappeared even though now we have money on the table..  I think it's more down to the top players not being convinced by Wayne's "be my buddy and go home" mentality. Even our loans last year were better!

I think it likely comes down to a combination of things.

1) Rosenior having better contacts. A lot of the players we brought in spoke of how well rosenior spoke and a lot had either immediate or tangential connections to him.

2) Passing football. Good players get sold on playing good football. Put simply coming to a side trying to play  good passing football is just going to be more fun for players to be a part of than not.

3) Last year we were a just relegated team coming off the back of a season where we dont get relegated without extremely heavy penalties. This year we were an also ran in the league 1 playoff race. Put simply players will be less confident we can bounce out of the league quickly.

4) Signing momentum. This is a bit more nebulous but if you look at the top windows played out they are interesting parallels. Last year we were able to move quickly to convince players to stay and then a good signing begot another good signing (on paper). This year we've lost key players, signings have taken time and haven't been the kinds of names to entice in other players.

19 hours ago, Brailsford Ram said:

I think what you say would be very valid if we were operating under normal conditions but we are not. Brian Clough and Arthur Cox built their promotion teams to get them out of the divisions they were in but also were able to attract players who they knew could hold their places in the division above. If Warne has the ability to do that, which is an unknown at the present, he does not have the budget to do it this season. It seems clear that at the moment he cannot bring in players who would be guaranteed to establish us in the Championship next season as well as getting us up. So he is recruiting simply with the aim of promotion. If he achieves that he has put in place the first of our building blocks. Next season's recruitment would then see him trying to place the second block; improving the quality sufficiently to avoid a relegation fight, followed by further progress the season after.

I cannot see at the moment how he can do it any other way. At the outset, David Clowes was clear that there was no unconditional demand for instant promotion and that we were at the start of a gradual rebuild. We have to be patient. Everyone of us seemed to agree with that 12 months ago, but some fans are becoming impatient. Sheffield Wednesday had to go through similar trials and their fans are now worried that their team will not be good enough to keep them up this season.

I think you've missed my point or I didn't explain it well enough.

I'm more than happy to be patient. In fact I think we should be patient and be thinking long term. I'd have stuck with Rosenior for longer than he got because I think in spite of a somewhat rocky start I could see the longer term view in what he was trying. 

If someone came in and basically took a season to build a team around of academy players, giving them a season to grow and gel. So that we could propel forwards in later seasons I'd be all for that. Or if they took a few gambles on younger, rawer players in the hopes of developing them.

But all of Warne's moves both tactically and in the market feel short term. And I have nagging concerns over his management of player fitness.

I have sympathy for the argument of let's just get out of league 1 and sort things out later. But I don't see evidence of Warne doing that quickly. His signings in a fair few places don't seem good fits for how he wants to play. There is an air of struggling to either attract talent and keeping talent. And current performances are way off the mark.

Basically it feels like the worst of both worlds and a bit rudderless. He's likely not going to give short term success and he's likely  not going to sustainable long term success. 

I just don't see a compelling argument that he's the right man for the job and increasingly "but 3 promotions at Rotherham" feels like the 2023 "but at Leicester". 

(I'll caveat this by saying maybe we can't realistically afford to sack him, I just can't talk to that.)

At this point I'd probably be scouting for someone who's done good work at an academy somewhere maybe somebody like Jody Morris. A solid track record of taking players and developing them because that's how we go forwards materially.

19 hours ago, Blondest Goat said:

I think there's some truth in this too. It did however work 3 times for Rotherham in this league.  I think the bigger question is how far it will take you in the championship but we can worry about that when we get there.  

I think this is flawed thinking though.

The weird thing is I do think eventually he'd be able to achieve promotion but I don't think that's the be all and all. I think we should be thinking more about how continually develop long term. How do we hit the ground running in the Championship? How do we develop? How do we start mounting a push for promotion to the premiership? 

These questions might seem premature but use the time correctly now and it will set us properly for that. Focus purely on promotion and we will flounder. And that's my main issue with Warne, I don't think he's setting us up for long term success and I don't think he's the person to guide us up through those stages as this level is likely around his limit.

The argument would have merit if he looked like he'd be a sure bet on fast promotion but most evidence doesn't point to that being true. Last season was below par. The close season has been not great and the start leaves a lot to be desired.

11 hours ago, SSD said:

Warne has pretty much echoed everything I thought about the last 3 games. It is not as if he's trying to cover it up with the usual manager phoned in answers (new team, time to gel, we go again etc etc). That would hack me off. Genuinely feelings, a good self awareness around the club. Nothing wrong with this. All the issues I think we have in the squad, Warne identified and knows what we require.

I have a feeling the penny dropped a little bit for him this week. At Rotherham if he had a bad run, he'd get away with it because there's little expectations. Coming to a much bigger club, with his pretty mediocre home record from the back of last season through to this season, fans are going to naturally become more frustrated. Bigger wage bill, bigger facilities, you have got to perform. As much as we want to believe it, time isn't on a manager's side.

We replaced an upcoming future manager, who wasn't getting much stick from our supporters because of the good reputation he built, with a more experienced outside name. If we was struggling near the foot of the table, I think Warne would get more credit. But because he's come in, with a squad which looks competitive on paper, there's more demand on him to succeed.

The main thing I want from Warne short term is to start winning more matches against those top 8/9 teams. We was dreadful in the majority of those matches last season and it ultimately cost us. His record against the little teams near the bottom have rarely cause us problems, we seem to beat these comfortably.

It's always been a niggle in the back of my mind. Why did he never keep Rotherham up, was it down to purely budget or his record against "better sides". I just want him to prove me wrong and get us firing.

I think it's both.

I hesitate to post this especially after a win. So know that I hope I'm wrong.

With the way Warne sets things up there is a heavy reliance on either having more quality than the opposition or being able to outwork oppostion/harass them into mistakes. I think this is why his record was good against "lesser" teams last year and its why we get unstuck against "better" teams.

Tactically what we employ is very basic and doesn't do much to get more out of the sum our parts as a team. Our pressing is aggressive but mindless and almost all of our build play amounts to get it wide, quickly and dont worry too much about working the ball or keeping it. So when we are a better/athletic team on paper gaps are more exploitable, it's easier to force possession errors and we are less prone to getting punished by a counter attack. Especially because the lower down the leagues a team is the more they have to decide between talent on the ball and athlecism.

This increasingly doesn't work against better teams as they are more able to keep the ball under pressure, let gaps open up in our midfield and then counter lethally.

And I think a lot of this is kinda unfixable without a major shift in outlook from Warne and his coaching staff. 

I can understand the sentiment of people saying it's only 2 games and he needs more time but that somewhat does right off the rest of his time here. The thing for me is that the more time that passes the more evidence stacks up in favor of niggling worries about his potential limitations and that some of his perceived strengths might not be present.

When he joined on the one hand you had his success at Rotherham, a seemingly good record at man management, experience in the division and that he would be able to build a young athletic team. On the other hand there were concerns over his style of play, his results in the Championship, whether he would be able to convert success from Rotherham and whether he head the necessary coaching ability in his staff.

He inherited a good squad and a 7th place finish was below par. Nothing awful but a finish were I think it was fair to ask questions. The bigger concerns for me though were less about the table. Tactically he looked limited, inflexible and like he had a naive view of the game. Coaching of players appeared to go backwards over the season who in a few cases looked rustier and more bereft of what to do as the season developed. And his management of player fitness levels was atrocious likely leading to unnecessary injuries. All of these factors played into the the poor results against decent teams. Frankly we were flat track bullies at best.

All of those issues have been front and centre in these first two games. So mix that with an uninspiring pre-season attaining players who won't likely kick on going into the championship and not really solving issues in the squad and mix in the interview from the other day. Its easy to feel less than enthusiastic about him as manager. 

At this point we've got enough evidence at his strengths and weaknesses and I don't think he's the right person going forwards. I think he could get us promoted eventually but I think in the process of it we will be set back quite significantly in our overall development and i think it will take a long time. Essentially I think it would cost a lot of the young talent at the club and we'd end up with a squad of aging journeymen. A squad in which we would find ourselves probably struggling to stay in the Championship especially given the lack of tactical and coaching acumen currently on display.

I said last year a view I'll reiterate. We need to look at things on the long term. We need to think how do we develop the club overall for sustainable success. How do we produce/acquire cheaply talent  and develop them so we aren't stuck at the whims of high fee spending to progress. How do we develop an identity and footballing ethos that allows the collective club to produce more than the sum of its parts. 

If you look at my previous posts i think its evident im not trigger happy. But at certain point you've got to cut your losses. The evidence points to Warne not fitting the remit and if finances allow I think it's time to move on in the hopes that we can retain the likes of Bird and salvage the rest of the rest of the transfer window.

On 26/06/2023 at 22:02, i-Ram said:

A few more for the list:

MafiaBob - some memory of a falling out, over Mel Morris iirc. Hope he is still keeping out of the Bookies, and doing his bit for non-gambling evangelism.

@Ellafella - probably just having some time out post-season, but I am missing his big words.

@cosmic - funny guy, but can't remember the last time i saw a post from him.

@Philmycock - always liable to lob a nice grenade into the piece. is he alright? @ossieram

@CornwallRam - not seen anything recently - although the clotted cream factory is probably busy this time of year.

@Rampage - What a guy

@Ken Tram - Whay a guy 2

@brady1993 - someone who wrote a lot of commonsense. Probably explains his/her absence.

TexasRam - large input into the Pub threads, and always very anti-Sky. I guess one way or another he is taking a lengthy bit of time out.

Hope to see a few more of them back on here sometime.

Lest we forget.

 

From my side its a mix of things coming together. The big ones being time, ability to watch games, being more wary over time on my phone and how it effects me mentally, moving to Australia, complex feelings over the club's direction and waning interest in paying attention.

On the football side of things I've been hesitant to chime in because I'm often catching up on games quite a bit after or not at all. And even then I feel like last season I'd have been repeating myself over and over, it just gets tiring to do it after a while. I just don't feel I have much interesting to add to a discussion that quite frankly I feel there often isn't much to discuss. 

I do feel like Warne is tactically naive, demonstrates a lack of appreciation for the game's complexity, doesn't seem to have the best technical coaching and isn't the best long term move. I do feel like he will end up effectively wasting a generation of really gifted academy players by turning us into a functional outfit. And I do feel like he underachieved last season and his position should be in question. 

But he's not going anywhere. He knows the type of players he wants to get to play the way he wants and that will almost be certainly good enough for this division  with his motivation skills and the club's resources. 

I think most people see some close variation on that and it mostly comes down to how each fan feels about the following as to how they come down on things:

Functional vs attractive football?

Possession vs kick n rush football?

Warnes skill at league 1 vs warne's ability to manage beyond that?

Are the academy players worth focusing around?

Success now vs more sustainable growth down the line ? 

I feel like if I know a fan's answer to those questions there isn't much for me to debate them over. It just becomes the same conversation over and over.

A lot of what interests in me in talking about football and Derby in general is direction and tactical stuff (or things adjacent to it like selection). The direction is pretty clear to me and it goes against what I personally would like to see and the tactics are pretty basic so there just isn't much to delve into.

To be clear I'm still a fan, I still want to see derby do well and I hope I'm wrong about Warne and wish him well. He seems a good person and I believe he's doing what he thinks is right be the club and because of that I don't like harping on him too too much. It's more I'm happy to take a more a distant following for now and I've often had periods like this since joining this forum.

4 hours ago, cannable said:

He is the next Nigel Pearson though.

He’s taken over a side that was trying to play football from the back, through the thirds and tried to get the playing a high-energy direct 4-4-2/4-4-1-1.

It just turns out the the players are more suited to it than first thought whereas under Pearson they weren’t!

I think there is a couple minor differences like; Pearson never really seemed to know what he actually needed to get what he wanted to work, Warne has inherited a stronger squad relative to the league and he's taking his time a bit more. 

But the biggest biggest difference is one of them is a really good man manager and the other well.... was Pearson. And whilst that can go a long way in general its critical if you are trying to overhaul a side from a style point of view.

23 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Looks very attacking. Who is going to break up the Rovers play? Sibley “ Out of favour” with another manager.

Classic Sibley life cycle.

1) Does well one game. 

2) A little off it the next.

3) Out of position the game after.

4) Dropped.

It's good to see it stretched to three games because normally steps 2 and 3 are one and the same.