Match Thread - Hull (H)

[Tyler Durden]

2 hours ago, Justa said:

I’ve paid nearly £1600 for season tickets so don’t tell me to f*** off ! I’m perfectly entitled to express frustration at the football Warne plays and his obsession with players running themselves into the ground.

 

Is the sense of entitlement directly proportional to the amount of money one has spent on a particular asset or commodity.

You found it vitally important to share how much you have invested in season tickets this year.

Just asking for a friend. 

[angieram]

4 hours ago, Chester40 said:

Largely agree with you...

The counter argument though is that if we aren't going to win games away from home and we are saying this is an established Championship team, they are near the top, have spent more money etc .... then we could go into the majority of games expecting nothing.

Expect nothing, fight for everything. 

Tough week, small squad, injuries. 

Are the people saying they'd be happy to finish fourth from bottom this season the same ones complaining about performance levels? I don't know.

[ariotofmyown]

5 minutes ago, angieram said:

Expect nothing, fight for everything. 

Tough week, small squad, injuries. 

Are the people saying they'd be happy to finish fourth from bottom this season the same ones complaining about performance levels? I don't know.

After writing Warne off for 2 seasons and knowing he would get us relegated with his team full of Rotherham rejects, all I want now is to beat everyone by playing them off the park with glorious possession-based, but fast attacking football.

Is that really too much to ask?

If so, can we please bring in a manager who can do this?

PS I spend over 50 quid a year on my Ramstv audio Subscription.

[SKRam]

1 hour ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Interesting exchange of views on yesterday’s game, first match in a while I haven’t been able to watch live and have so far only watched these highlights;

From some of the comments in the thread I was expecting to see evidence of Hull battering us, and appreciate the ramstv team will be selective with what’s included in the highlights, but it doesn’t appear for all their possession that they threatened much.
highlights showed Nelson again with some impressive defending to block a shot and getting hurt in the process then later on shepherding their player when they countered so he had to go on the outside and was beaten by the angle, genuinely still baffled someone said he’s been a liability this season. Also, don’t think anyone mentioned a goal bound header from Nelson being cleared off the line, so as much as they could have gone 2 up with that dangerous cross we looked to have some chances too.

I’ve got a number of City supporting mates and their assessment is that a draw was fair and that both teams look like there’s more to come in time. BBC’s stats suggest a fairly even game too, we had a number of blocked shots (6) with the Harness one in the highlights standing out to me as a good chance well snuffed out. Highlights show a couple of good moments from CBT at both ends of the pitch with him forcing Coyle onto his weaker foot when in the area making him miss and then putting in some dangerous crosses, hope he continues building on those signs. Pleased for Brown to get decent minutes and to score the equaliser, think we’ve all been keen to see him get a chance and man did he take it, that’s the biggest plus from yesterday for me, that and not having to deal with any grief from my Hull lot.

That’s my viewing just now, thank you, and as ever the most balanced summing up in the history of yesterdays encounter. No input required when @Caerphilly Ram has penned that comment. 😊

[jimtastic56]

21 minutes ago, Ramarena said:

Were even above the all mighty Oxford?

 

Yesterday’s game won’t dent our mid-table ambitions. But I would like to see our other players put the effort in that Adams did .

[Chester40]

8 minutes ago, angieram said:

Expect nothing, fight for everything. 

Tough week, small squad, injuries. 

Are the people saying they'd be happy to finish fourth from bottom this season the same ones complaining about performance levels? I don't know.

Many of them, yep.

I actually think the discussions have mostly been fair though.

I felt it was a bit disappointing yesterday. But Ozoh is a miss. Osborn is finally looking better though.

Couple of away defeats and the more negative posters will definitely reappear more.

Be good if Brown can be a genuine alternative to Yates. Washington and maybe Collins out in Jan.

[BramcoteRam84]

3 hours ago, Justa said:

I’ve paid nearly £1600 for season tickets so don’t tell me to f*** off ! I’m perfectly entitled to express frustration at the football Warne plays and his obsession with players running themselves into the ground.

 

Maybe save yourself £1600 then next time until he’s left. 

[Anag Ram]

2 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

Many of them, yep.

I actually think the discussions have mostly been fair though.

I felt it was a bit disappointing yesterday. But Ozoh is a miss. Osborn is finally looking better though.

Couple of away defeats and the more negative posters will definitely reappear more.

Be good if Brown can be a genuine alternative to Yates. Washington and maybe Collins out in Jan.

I’d forgotten him.

Is he nicknamed Wash ‘cos all he does is wash the kit?

[Chester40]

10 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

I’d forgotten him.

Is he nicknamed Wash ‘cos all he does is wash the kit?

He's a worse, injury prone version of Yates. Can't see him getting any game time, needs to go for everyone's sake.

[Anag Ram]

Yates would be an excellent player with support around him but he has two wide men for company. The three of them need to be closer together.

I would like to see him start in the same team as CBT and get him to drop back for the pull back. 

[angieram]

23 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

Many of them, yep.

I actually think the discussions have mostly been fair though.

I felt it was a bit disappointing yesterday. But Ozoh is a miss. Osborn is finally looking better though.

Couple of away defeats and the more negative posters will definitely reappear more.

Be good if Brown can be a genuine alternative to Yates. Washington and maybe Collins out in Jan.

I agree about Osborn but people were calling for him to be taken off at half-time at Oxford because he was mis-placing so many passes. He played better early second half there, and had a good, short half yesterday. Still building up fitness and game-time after his injury.

[FlyBritishMidland]

2 hours ago, On the Ram Page said:

Hull are a totally different team to any other in the Championship, often playing 4-1-5, very brave. We did press, often committing 3/4 players to the press but they were looking to set traps, what they wanted was a player to attack their goalkeeper leaving a player free to start their transmission. They were very fluent in their transmission and moved the ball very well. If we had overcommitted overselves I think we could have been in big trouble. The game was very much like the Middlesborough match.

i know some people don’t want to admit it but currently we are miles away from some of the sides in the Championship in terms of quality - yesterday was as an example. They were a good side but we limited them to very little in out penalty area. What our side has is commitment, organisation and a team ethic, which is currently getting us points. It doesn’t help when we give the ball away so cheaply with our poor passing or lack of movement to receive a pass.

Also our injuries are really biting hard, particularly in midfield. Absolutely missing DO in midfield and in many ways we have reverted to last years midfield where we had little aggression and bite ( apart of course from the admirable Adam’s). We are currently having to make do.

As opposed to us amateur managers, Warne and Co actually go and watch the opposition and have a team of analysts to look at the way they play, their threats and weaknesses. Probably more than any other Manager we have had recently Warne adjusts his tactics to who the opposition are. This I think is the sticking point. Some think we should just go out there, play our own tactics and blow the other team away playing our own brand of pressing football, throwing caution to the wind. We are not Man City or Liverpool with the players we have, they are just not good enough.

gradually, over a year or two, as our resources grew bigger, we may have the quality of players to be able to play they way we want and let other teams worry about us, but we are not at that stage yet against the majority of the clubs in this division.

we all recognise the skills Kenzo has and all want him playing higher up the pitch. Injuries are not allowing this yet. I think he also could have a look at a player like Barry Bannen at Sheffield Wed, who always seems to find positions and room in which to receive the ball from his team mates. Not sure how he does it, must be a skill. If he can do that it would be a tremendous help in us keeping possession for much longer periods.

So I personally think Warne and Co are doing a good job in the Championship, with the resources we have. Proud of the effort and commitment every one is showing. Of course, would like to see free flowing football, but I am prepared to be patient.

I think the tactics were sound yesterday, but the execution was lacking.  We pressed at their goal kicks regularly have 3 or 4 players around the edge of the box.  But if we didn’t win the ball back we dropped deeper.  They push everyone forward and play so high up the pitch it was set up for playing counter attacking football against them.  The principle was good, it just didn’t come off.

As usual, there’s some over dramatic comments on here.  It wasn’t the greatest game but we weren’t as bad as some may make out.  We’re strong at the back as not many teams carve us open but we do need a bit more quality in the final third, but every club will say the same and quality at the right price is hard to find.  I think @BramcoteRam84 suggests playing someone with Yates and I agree with this.  When we signed him, Swansea fans view was he’s better in a pair than on his own and that’s why he fell out of favour.  With an out and out striker, he can have a bit more of a free role.

[Anag Ram]

3 minutes ago, angieram said:

I agree about Osborn but people were calling for him to be taken off at half-time at Oxford because he was mis-placing so many passes. He played better early second half there, and had a good, short half yesterday. Still building up fitness and game-time after his injury.

We need two industrious midfielders in this league for sure. Adams can’t do it all on his own. Harness isn’t a midfielder and he struggled to know where to be yesterday. 
He’s worth trying up front with CBT and Yates. Brown has announced himself too, but baby steps. He will have the confidence of a goal and will know the crowd is on his side (for now)

[Caerphilly Ram]

43 minutes ago, SKRam said:

That’s my viewing just now, thank you, and as ever the most balanced summing up in the history of yesterdays encounter. No input required when @Caerphilly Ram has penned that comment. 😊

Just my take on it based on the limited bits I’ve seen. People who saw the whole game at the ground or via ramstv airways will have a fuller picture. 

[RamInFrance]

Lots of unrealistic expectations and some down right rubbish on this thread today. 

My view stays pretty much the same. Would it be nice to have won? Yes. Would it be nice to have more control in games? Yes. Are we doing better than expected? Yes. Has there been an improvement on last season football wise? Yes. Will we be fine come may? I honestly think we will.
 

Considering the wage structure, personnel and calibre of footballer available to Warne, he’s doing a decent job. Am I fan of his football? No, but at the start of the season, I thought anything above 22nd place would do for me. We are currently mid-table, defensively sound (no one has really trounced us…yet anyway) and don’t look out of place in this division. But we do need more firepower up top, notably in the centre forward position. However once established in this division, I fully expect to see a change in playing style. If not, then time to move on and find the next man to move this club forward, because I am certain that in the long term what we call Warneball is not the way to go. But that’s just one man’s opinion 🤷‍♂️

Edited Sunday at 13:35 by RamInFrance

[May Contain Nuts]

51 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said:

It wasn’t the greatest game but we weren’t as bad as some may make out.  

I certainly don't think we've been 'bad' in (almost) any game. Have we performed to the standards and in the style the manager asks? Yes, and we're genuinely pretty good at what we do, the defensive side of things is solid even though a lot of it is due to the sheer quality individual players but that speaks for most of our positives. We have a handful of players in the squad who are better / have the potential to be better than lower Championship and could be part of a squad in a team more toward the top - this season's transfer activity has been a large plus. there's plenty to admire in terms of character and workrate.

I also don't understand the claims we're playing for draws or with any intent other than to win, it's nonsense IMO. Sometimes the opposite is to our cost.

It's just that 'what we do' is play the least watchable and least inventive football I've seen in 30 years of watching and tbh I have very little desire to see such football be successful, and I simply can't bring myself to celebrate or praise its' implementation. We're not playing this way out of necessity, we're playing this way through choice. It gives me nothing better to look forward to (and boy do I need something to look forward to at the minute) in the future and the longer we play it the harder it is to break out of the mould and return to something more appealing.

We play crap football, this season we've got marginally better at playing crap football and we play it quite well. Eventually we might play crap football extremeley well, but it won't stop it being crap football, even if the majority seem to have convinced themselves otherwise.

Edited Sunday at 13:45 by May Contain Nuts

[jono]

1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said:

After writing Warne off for 2 seasons and knowing he would get us relegated with his team full of Rotherham rejects, all I want now is to beat everyone by playing them off the park with glorious possession-based, but fast attacking football.

Is that really too much to ask?

If so, can we please bring in a manager who can do this?

PS I spend over 50 quid a year on my Ramstv audio Subscription.

Yes ! I’ll get it sorted. There are managers on the phone to DC every week who can guarantee this. We just have to do it NOW ! There are even several of them that will win everything with home grown “kids” inside 2 years. It’s amazing what’s out there. 

PS: Have you tried my online shop (with 5 star trust pilot reviews ?)  There are great offers on magic beans and a chance to win a goose that lays golden eggs with every manager change you make. We also accept Klarna payments. Hundreds of satisfied customers across the football world.

[bcnram]

We will be fine this season. The defence is in the main well organised with a good keeper behind them. Further up the field though we often play like strangers who don’t train together. When Brown came in, I saw more from him in the short term than I had from Yates for a number of games. Yates looks lost as a player, his ability to bring others into play is over stated, neither does he challenge the central defenders at all in a meaningful way giving them an easy ride. 
Kenzo definitely needs to be further forward, he sees passes and space and can create openings. 
I do feel that we are not getting the ball into the danger zone enough despite having the opportunities to do so. Steve McClaren’s mantra used to be ‘in the box, in the box, in the box - that is where you score goals’. 
We have enough for mid table. 
 

[HecMacTod]

41 minutes ago, May Contain Nuts said:

I certainly don't think we've been 'bad' in (almost) any game. Have we performed to the standards and in the style the manager asks? Yes, and we're genuinely pretty good at what we do, the defensive side of things is solid even though a lot of it is due to the sheer quality individual players but that speaks for most of our positives. We have a handful of players in the squad who are better / have the potential to be better than lower Championship and could be part of a squad in a team more toward the top - this season's transfer activity has been a large plus. there's plenty to admire in terms of character and workrate.

I also don't understand the claims we're playing for draws or with any intent other than to win, it's nonsense IMO. Sometimes the opposite is to our cost.

It's just that 'what we do' is play the least watchable and least inventive football I've seen in 30 years of watching and tbh I have very little desire to see such football be successful, and I simply can't bring myself to celebrate or praise its' implementation. We're not playing this way out of necessity, we're playing this way through choice. It gives me nothing better to look forward to (and boy do I need something to look forward to at the minute) in the future and the longer we play it the harder it is to break out of the mould and return to something more appealing.

We play crap football, this season we've got marginally better at playing crap football and we play it quite well. Eventually we might play crap football extremeley well, but it won't stop it being crap football, even if the majority seem to have convinced themselves otherwise.

 

[Ram-Alf]

1 hour ago, RamInFrance said:

Lots of unrealistic expectations and some down right rubbish on this thread today. 

Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once...Oooo La La