Guest Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, oodledoodle said: It's not worked out, but at the time it did look like a shrewd bit of business. On paper it was a fantastic appointment, so I certainly don't blame Clowes for it. Eh? Did it? 'A fantastic appointment' was it perceived that way I don't seem to remember too much dancing in the streets. I do remember quite a lot of people were disappointed Rosenior left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Let’s wait for the vote of confidence on Monday and he’ll be gone by Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, Monty said: Eh? Did it? 'A fantastic appointment' was it perceived that way I don't seem to remember too much dancing in the streets. I do remember quite a lot of people were disappointed Rosenior left Yeah, a fair point. On paper though we'd signed someone who'd taken Rotherham up on several occasions, with a smaller budget than most of us spend in the chippy. Whilst plenty of us would have been happy to see Rosenior have a crack at it, it wasn't like we were handing the reigns to someone who was unproven in league one. That's the benefit of hindsight I suppose. Whilst we might not have all agreed on it, surely at the time we could all understand it. Thinking back, it looks like Clowes wanted a manager with proven promotion credentials to take us back to the championship as soon as possible. Sacking Rosenior was surely a statement that he wasn't interested in a project, he wanted results. I wonder how he feels tonight, seeing as it looks like we have as much chance of being promoted to the premier league this season as we do to the championship. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, oodledoodle said: Yeah, a fair point. On paper though we'd signed someone who'd taken Rotherham up on several occasions, with a smaller budget than most of us spend in the chippy. Whilst plenty of us would have been happy to see Rosenior have a crack at it, it wasn't like we were handing the reigns to someone who was unproven in league one. That's the benefit of hindsight I suppose. Whilst we might not have all agreed on it, surely at the time we could all understand it. Thinking back, it looks like Clowes wanted a manager with proven promotion credentials to take us back to the championship as soon as possible. Sacking Rosenior was surely a statement that he wasn't interested in a project, he wanted results. I wonder how he feels tonight, seeing as it looks like we have as much chance of being promoted to the premier league this season as we do to the championship. But you'd have hoped there would have been some 'due diligence' from Clowes/Pearce? Seems to me they were enamoured with more than just his promotion record. Maybe the 'personal side' of Warne blind-sided them to the weaknesses of his managerial talents? He undoubtedly 'interviewed well'! Walkley Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, oodledoodle said: Yeah, a fair point. On paper though we'd signed someone who'd taken Rotherham up on several occasions, with a smaller budget than most of us spend in the chippy. Whilst plenty of us would have been happy to see Rosenior have a crack at it, it wasn't like we were handing the reigns to someone who was unproven in league one. That's the benefit of hindsight I suppose. Whilst we might not have all agreed on it, surely at the time we could all understand it. Thinking back, it looks like Clowes wanted a manager with proven promotion credentials to take us back to the championship as soon as possible. Sacking Rosenior was surely a statement that he wasn't interested in a project, he wanted results. I wonder how he feels tonight, seeing as it looks like we have as much chance of being promoted to the premier league this season as we do to the championship. Yep DC had/has a four year plan and we're only one year and a bit into it. I didn't particularly see it as a thrilling appointment to take us into a new era more of a reduced risk safe pair of hands. There seems to be as much negative comment about the style of football rather than accruing points - personally I don't care so much about how we play as long as we win and get out of L1. Hoofball for a season or two will be fine as long as we get promoted. I appreciate I may be in the minority though Edited October 21, 2023 by Monty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: But you'd have hoped there would have been some 'due diligence' from Clowes/Pearce? Seems to me they were enamoured with more than just his promotion record. Maybe the 'personal side' of Warne blind-sided them to the weaknesses of his managerial talents? He undoubtedly 'interviewed well'! Can't fault someone for interviewing well. It's how I pay my mortgage. If anything it's just a reminder that nothing is a given in football. Sometimes things just click, sometimes they don't. Sometimes it's through a lack of effort and talent, sometimes not. And yes, that means whoever replaces Warne isn't a guaranteed success. But by now it should be obvious to most that the Warne project is failing, up to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Trav Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 No it won’t happen soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, Big Trav said: No it won’t happen soon Then he's a fool. What makes you say that? 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Trav Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, RoyMac5 said: Then he's a fool. What makes you say that? 😄 The fact we haven’t got the kind of money to sack him and his crew jimtastic56 and Derby4Me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I don’t blame Clowes for hiring Warne. He talks a good game and I think fundamentally he’s a very intelligent tactician. Like most of us, who have grew up watching football, we have an idea of how we would want things to look and processes on how to achieve that. Unfortunately, it’s not that simple and I think Warne has ultimately fell away from being able to achieve his vision for whatever reason. The question is now, for both Clowes and Warne is where do they go from here. Clowes obviously has an affinity for Warne as a person, but will naturally be worried about his investment. By any metric, we are underachieving. The fans aren’t happy. In this league, the fans are our commercial strength so there is an emphasis to keep them onside, more so than if we were in the Championship or Premier League. I think there needs to be an honest conversation between the two and some more immediate key performance indicators outlined. I think ideally they drag each other through this period, but there needs to be a plan in place. therealhantsram and Tamworthram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Just now, Big Trav said: The fact we haven’t got the kind of money to sack him and his crew We've got plenty of money, it's how you look at the money we'll lose from the fans not turning up. How much can a league 1 manager and some lower league coaches be on ffs? therealhantsram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 34 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: Let’s wait for the vote of confidence on Monday and he’ll be gone by Wednesday Yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Big Trav said: The fact we haven’t got the kind of money to sack him and his crew Think it's a bit worrying that our owner seemingly can't afford to change manager. Can't help but feel like that's something you should be able to do at any point if you're going to run a football club. BPV, Derby4Me, S8TY and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said: So basically DC has made the wrong decision in appointing Warne in the first place and compounded it by giving him a 4 year contract Yes..finally a post of yours I like S8TY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanoakaram4life Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Big Trav said: The fact we haven’t got the kind of money to sack him and his crew There’s no way you’d even think of creating a budget in professional football that doesn’t include managerial casualties! Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ambitious said: He talks a good game and I think fundamentally he’s a very intelligent tactician. BPV, S8TY and i-Ram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Trav said: The fact we haven’t got the kind of money to sack him and his crew I do not buy that at all. Firstly, we have no idea what Warne and his staff are on. Secondly, it's Warne who'd be sacked. If the rest of the staff want to walk too, that's another conversation. Thirdly, none of us have any idea of what our budget is. We can speculate, but all people ever do when they do that is warp whatever budget they pulled out of their bum to further their own argument. Fourthly, he's not been sacked, no compensation package has been agreed, so how can we possibly know if we can afford it. What if it's his remaining contract, divided in three and paid in installments over 3 years? Can we afford that? It's absolute nonsense to pretend that we can't afford to sack him, when none of us have the faintest idea of the budget outside of the boardroom. Clowes and Pearce aren't stupid. They'll have an escape plan, budgets put aside, ways to square a sacking on the books if needed. KnowledgeisPorridge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Big Trav said: No it won’t happen soon Cheers Trav, sons crying. Dcfcsr92, Boycie, i-Ram and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimsbyRam Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Jram said: Only 13 games though so that’s quite misleading and hardly a crisis given the squad turnover. Patience required, we will improve No side should be happy with 2 wins at home in 13, just accept it’s not good enough. He’s had wildsmith, Cashin, Forsyth, bird, smith, Mendez, collins, hourihane, Sibley involved today…all here last year. We are going backwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichram Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 If the budget is tight then when we sell Cashin in Jan some of that can go towards Warne. also we can look at not adding reinforcements - I’d rather that than stay as we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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