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Bris Vegas
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Rosenior’s last game in charge: Yes, it was excruciating watching Derby dominate the ball and pepper the opposition goal with shots. Give me long, rushed chaotic forward passes, 40% possessi

LeedsCityRam
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Yeah, must be awful - I assume their goals for column being comparable with others in top 6 is a misprint?

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justifying warne's mediocrity by saying LR was also mediocre is nonsense in my opinion   at least LR gave us a vision and something that resembled a plan of action. he may have failed too bu

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G STAR RAM

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9 minutes ago, Marriot Ram99 said:

Againt one of thr best sides in the league whilst we struggle against Fleetwood. Don't care about Rosenior much though wouldn't want him or Warne really. 

We beat Fleetwood.

Leeds are 9th in the table having won 2 of their opening 7 games and had 10 men for the last 30 minutes.

I didn't particularly dislike Rosenior and would have been fine had he stayed.

Just adding a bit of balance to the discussion. If Warne is lambasted when we don't have a shot on target in a home match then the same should apply to Rosenior.

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3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

We beat Fleetwood.

Leeds are 9th in the table having won 2 of their opening 7 games and had 10 men for the last 30 minutes.

I didn't particularly dislike Rosenior and would have been fine had he stayed.

Just adding a bit of balance to the discussion. If Warne is lambasted when we don't have a shot on target in a home match then the same should apply to Rosenior.

More showing that it's gone full circle than adding balance IMO. Warne has recently been lambasted for it because people lambasted Rosenior for it. Balance had already been achieved before your post.

There were a lot of posts in the early days of Warne where good results and games where we scored lots of goals (or any goals away from home!) were used as a tool to reflect negatively on Rosenior's time here, often unfairly and in exaggerative form.

Warne's football was seen as the antidote to it, we wouldn't look so toothless under Warne, wouldn't get outworked, bullied etc, so when a year after Warne coming in, we're seeing some awful football from his team which results in no shots on target (and we're even being outworked / look tired after half an hour), it's going to be brought up!

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6 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

We beat Fleetwood.

Leeds are 9th in the table having won 2 of their opening 7 games and had 10 men for the last 30 minutes.

I didn't particularly dislike Rosenior and would have been fine had he stayed.

Just adding a bit of balance to the discussion. If Warne is lambasted when we don't have a shot on target in a home match then the same should apply to Rosenior.

Aside from the fact Rosenior hasn't been our manager for a year and it just makes you look a bit weird.  

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1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said:

Rosenior has Hull sixth in the Championship and they just took four points off former PL sides Leicester and Leeds, keeping clean sheets in both.

And some use that as reason to defend Paul Warne…

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Where did I defend Paul Warne out of interest?

Strange that when Derby have no shots on target its because of the style of football and because we are toothless but when a passing guru does it, it doesn't matter because they kept a clean sheet against 10 men 😂

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3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Where did I defend Paul Warne out of interest?

Strange that when Derby have no shots on target its because of the style of football and because we are toothless but when a passing guru does it, it doesn't matter because they kept a clean sheet against 10 men 😂

Passing guru? You are bizarrely trying to mock a former manager who is currently sitting sixth in the Championship, unbeaten since the opening day and who just took four points off former PL sides in the past two weeks.

Hull scored more goals against Sheffield Wednesday (a team we scored zero against under Warne last season) in one home game than we have in all our home league games combined this season.

I don’t really care about the no shots on target stat anyway. You can create golden chances and not shoot on target, or you can have ten shots on target all from range which barely causes the goalkeeper to flinch.

We simply barely create any chances under Warne and coincidentally the football is crap.

I much preferred the football we played under Rosenior, and we created far more golden chances (which we missed most of them).

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25 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Passing guru? You are bizarrely trying to mock a former manager who is currently sitting sixth in the Championship, unbeaten since the opening day and who just took four points off former PL sides in the past two weeks.

Hull scored more goals against Sheffield Wednesday (a team we scored zero against under Warne last season) in one home game than we have in all our home league games combined this season.

I don’t really care about the no shots on target stat anyway. You can create golden chances and not shoot on target, or you can have ten shots on target all from range which barely causes the goalkeeper to flinch.

We simply barely create any chances under Warne and coincidentally the football is crap.

I much preferred the football we played under Rosenior, and we created far more golden chances (which we missed most of them).

9 goals in Roseniors 8 league games in charge of Derby, including blanks against Charlton, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood and Lincoln. Averaged 1.125 goals per game.

58 goals in the remaining 38 league games last season in Warne. Averaged 1.52 goals per game.

 

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13 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

58 goals in the remaining 38 league games last season in Warne. Averaged 1.52 goals per game.

Warne's goals per game stats were drastically influenced by big wins over the relegated sides.

6 goals Vs Forest Green, 7 Vs Accrington, 6 Vs Morecambe and 4 Vs MK Dons. 

23/58 goals came in 8 games, none of those teams Rosenior played against. 

 

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8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

9 goals in Roseniors 8 league games in charge of Derby, including blanks against Charlton, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood and Lincoln. Averaged 1.125 goals per game.

58 goals in the remaining 38 league games last season in Warne. Averaged 1.52 goals per game.

 

McGoldrick...

6 of Rosenior's 9 goals were scored when McGoldrick was on the pitch (274 league minutes) - 1 goal for every 46 minutes McGoldrick was on the pitch.

Warne was able to give 2495 minutes in the league, missing just 4 games. We scored 41 with him on the pitch, an average of 1 per 61 minutes.

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4 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Where did I defend Paul Warne out of interest?

Strange that when Derby have no shots on target its because of the style of football and because we are toothless but when a passing guru does it, it doesn't matter because they kept a clean sheet against 10 men 😂

Strange that you're ignoring the open goal they missed at the end. Have we had similar chances in our games?

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1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

9 goals in Roseniors 8 league games in charge of Derby, including blanks against Charlton, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood and Lincoln. Averaged 1.125 goals per game.

58 goals in the remaining 38 league games last season in Warne. Averaged 1.52 goals per game.

 

You only needed a handful of games under Rosenior to understand what the plan was.  A year into Warnes tenure and I've still not got a clue how he wants us to play.  We're never the same from one game to the next.  

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On 19/09/2023 at 08:39, RoyMac5 said:

I wonder when we first made approaches for Warne? It's like Rosenior even given an interview never stood a chance (I wasn't a fan of the sideways stuff btw but understand more now about the theory behind where it was meant to progress to).

Exactly this ….I’ve always played possession football when I’ve managed in both youth and senior football 

When you re watch the games after with the players one of my biggest examples of what not to do was to panic and go long into the channels or just cross for the sake of crossing as some say the opposition can’t score if the ball is in there own half but that is not what you want a team when playing possession football to do if it’s not on you keep the ball go backwards or sideways and keep the ball and be patient do not force it when it’s not on and keep the ball maybe switch it ( quickly ) to the other side and get forward on that side but …ultimately …keep the ball …I learnt from being involved in games out in Holland against very good youth sides that would pass us English sides off the pitch and getting the ball back was difficult …but luckily that has changed a lot now in our game and you only have to look at the beat teams in this country to see higher possession sides are usually more successful ..the passing sideways may have bored some but it was only part of the process and it would’ve got better ..he only had 10 games and that wasn’t enough ….I felt for his pure loyalty alone ( and let’s not forget it must’ve been tempting to walk away to another job during the last season in the championship with all that was going on ) he deserved the season and then seen where we were at progress wise 

but it’s done now …hopeful signs of better football on Tuesday but let’s see if it continues…Warne isn’t a possession biased manager so have my doubts but still like him as a person 

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7 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

9 goals in Roseniors 8 league games in charge of Derby, including blanks against Charlton, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood and Lincoln. Averaged 1.125 goals per game.

58 goals in the remaining 38 league games last season in Warne. Averaged 1.52 goals per game.

 

Now pull up the number of chances we created under both.

Only Collins and Knight will know how we didn’t score against Charlton. 

 

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8 hours ago, Jubbs said:

Warne's goals per game stats were drastically influenced by big wins over the relegated sides.

6 goals Vs Forest Green, 7 Vs Accrington, 6 Vs Morecambe and 4 Vs MK Dons. 

23/58 goals came in 8 games, none of those teams Rosenior played against. 

We also scored 14 goals,  compared to 9, in the reverse fixtures of the 8 games that Rosenior managed.

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