The Paul Warne Poll

[MarsdenRam]

The usual Saturday night toddler tantrums on here I see. If David Clowes has the sense I think he has, he will stick with Warne even if we don't go up this year.

[SSD]

1 minute ago, MarsdenRam said:

The usual Saturday night toddler tantrums on here I see. If David Clowes has the sense I think he has, he will stick with Warne even if we don't go up this year.

I think when you've been watching hideous football for nearly a year with minimal progress, folks are entitled to have a constructive moan on the forum. I'd rather that then booing at the matches. 

I'm usually a happy go lucky type. He's the first manager since Paul Jewell where I've openly said that he needs to go. That was 15 years ago. I'll back Warne at the matches, will I enjoy it? Not at the moment. But I'll always back the 11 on the field no matter what.

[Walkley Ram]

5 minutes ago, MarsdenRam said:

The usual Saturday night toddler tantrums on here I see. If David Clowes has the sense I think he has, he will stick with Warne even if we don't go up this year.

31% possession and 119 passes compared to Bolton's 419. Guess I'm a toddler for wanting to compete in the third division.

Not sure why Warne supporters take it so personally when people point out how poor we are at the moment. Yes I'd rather we did well under Warne. But we're not. Yes I'd rather he turned it around in 2 weeks and proved me and his doubters wrong. I just don't see it happening. I'd be the happiest guy on the forum if he turns out to make a success of it. However, there's nothing about any game this season that's given me any hope at all.

[littleover ram]

Bye Paul. You’re a good PE teacher but a bit too small time mentality for here. So long. 

 

[jimtastic56]

2 hours ago, i-Ram said:

I actually feel sorry for Warne tonight. I didn’t see the game, but just watched a few highlights.

He is imo out of his comfort and ability zone, and I would happily see him go, but he had a bum steer today what with Cashin most likely not in the right frame of mind, Thommo (and some legs) not available to him in midfield, Rooney’s injury, Bradley (his big summer signing) making another poor mistake, having to play 45 minutes with 10 men, and a flukey deflected winning goal for Bolton.

That doesn’t though excuse a performance where as a team we only could put 200 passes together (120 successful), and one shot on target (presumably the penalty). There really must be a major flaw in his system, not just bad luck, that has contributed to todays result. We do have some very good League 1 standard players. They should be performing better.

That all said, If we had got a point today, it would have been a very good point.

David Clowes is unlikely to sack Warne yet; I think we must all know that. The international break has come at a good time for us, and Warne. Hopefully it will help some players recover from injury, Bird, Barkhuisen, Thommo and Sibley, and give some breathing space for Fornah, John-Jules and Embleton to settle into the squad. However, it will hopefully also be a period in which Warne (and his coaches) realise that they must be doing something a lot better with the set of players we have. We need to start playing more controlled football, not simply looking to gas-out the opposition. We really aren’t good enough to do that unless he wants to drop a lot of the older members of the squad. In the next 2 months, with the options he now or will have available, there has to be a discernible improvement in performance otherwise I think fan reaction will force Clowes’s hand.

You make some very good points. It’s often said “You make your own luck” and Paul is a great believer in luck. But the footballing gods are being really cruel to him at the moment. As fans it’s hard to watch but we are not a year into the 4 year plan yet.

[IlsonDerby]

37 minutes ago, MarsdenRam said:

The usual Saturday night toddler tantrums on here I see. If David Clowes has the sense I think he has, he will stick with Warne even if we don't go up this year.

Why? Ignore your petulant insult for a moment. Why does he deserve almost 2 seasons without questioning his position? 
 

We’ve looked dogshit. Under Rosenior it was frustrating at times with the sideways passing but you knew where he was going with it. It’d have taken some time but I’m confident Rosenior would have got his ideas across. I can’t see what on Earth we’re currently trying to do. 

[May Contain Nuts]

1 hour ago, SSD said:

When I saw Warne at Rotherham I thought fair enough, he has to play more ugly football due to his budget constraints and being a manager at a smaller stature club. I thought he hit a ceiling with them and did a good job. I was certain he would step it up with us. Bigger club, high expectations, intergrate his more pragmatic style with our tidy and technically solid football. A good fusion. In reality, his football is horrible to watch, his stubbornness and inability to evolve kick and lump it is starting to pee alot of supporters off. 

I've hardly seen any games home or away under his tenure where I've thought we have completely dominated matches. Even when we had that steady run of clean sheets, the matches were really drab and tedious affairs. We never really controlled the play, but the majority of opposition were mid to lower table crap which meant our defence barely had much to do. He has relied on individual brilliance (Dizzy and now Waghorn) to constantly bail him out. I look at all the good sides I've watched over the years and I think yes, we've had quality players head and shoulders above the rest of the squad at times, more importantly the team always stood out as a brilliant unit. Watching Paul Warne set out his team, I'm hoping for a piece of magic for 5 minutes to get us the 3 points every week. That is nowhere good enough, especially as we are one of the big teams in this division. 

His persistence to try and play wing backs is getting laughable. I'm depressingly admiring him for being so stubborn that he wants his precious 3 5 2 to work. It hasn't. Admit it. Every bleedin time he reverts to that system, we look even worse and our shape is a complete mess off the ball. I'll admit I have underestimated how many League One teams get the ball down and keep the ball well. We can't get near teams at times and it's a shambles. In my head we cannot get rid of him because he'll cost too much in compo and his long contract was given for a reason to stabilise the club. My DCFC heart says get rid of this chap, a manager completely out of his footballing depth. The media love him and bluntly, I do not care. Be a good football manager first then make me laugh 👍

Even though Rosenior had a horrid away record, at least I could see what he was trying to do. Possession football, dominating teams. We were battering some teams away from home, we just couldn't quite get it in the net. Over more time, averages say all them shots would have meant goals eventually. I could get behind the project as a supporter. I am reaching deep down to support Warneball. When I watch the team, we are all over the place with no clear plan other than an obsessive nature to cross the ball constantly with no build up play. Even if by some miracle we gain promotion, I'd have limited confidence in this manager to take us further. Where would we go in the Championship? Try and ping it 50 yards whilst all the teams pass rings around us. 

I'd sack this muppet tomorrow but he has to stay because we've committed to him. We've made that decision so the club needs to stick. A real shame.

Chef's kiss of a post.

Not anti-Warne but feeling as despondant as quite a few of us are about his managerial abilities.

We want to believe, but we're given scant reason to do so.

If I could be arsed with the backlash I'd create a thread asking people what it is about what they've seen of Paul Warne as the manager of Derby County that leads them to believe that it will come good given time. It's still too early to judge is the usual answer, which isn't really an answer at all tbh.

Name 5 genuinely positive things that Warne has done and/or reasons which justify his continued tenureship without mentioning Rotherham or the EFL, or the fear of the unknown etc, you know? an actual defence of Warne and his football that isn't based largely on blind faith and past successes at a very different club.

It feels like there are some just wilfully ignoring it muddying any evidence presented to them and grasping at whatever straw they can to.... I'd say defend him but often it's not even that, just picking apart arguments and making strawman suppositions to deflect from the issue at hand.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[duncanjwitham]

1 minute ago, Kokosnuss said:

Name 5 genuinely positive things that Warne has done and/or reasons which justify his continued tenureship without mentioning Rotherham or the EFL, or the fear of the unknown etc, you know? an actual defence of Warne and his football that isn't based largely on blind faith and past successes at a very different club.

I think 99% of it is just repeating “you have to give a manager time”, like if you do it the right number of times, while wearing the right shoes, you’ll end up back in Kansas (look at me with all the modern references…).

I’ve always said, you have to give a manager time, but you also have to believe in where that manager is taking you.  If we gave Warne as long as it takes, all the money he needs etc, would we really be happy with a 100% WarneBall team for the next decade? I suspect the answer is no for a quite a lot of us.

[ANGERMAN1]

I re-watched his first press conference and he waffled on about football being "theatre" and entertaining the fans. How he wanted to create a team the fans would applaud after every game. Here's a few comments he made that sound like sick jokes now:

Style of play; 

"If you've got really good footballers, you're going to play football. If you've got really good athletes, you're going to make it as athletic as you can"

Before then going on to say;

"I think here we've got really good footballers who will know they're very good athletes. They don't know yet but they'll know" (followed by a wry smile that makes his face rather punchable).

How he wants the fans to feel;

"Our job in League 1 is to make the Derby fans feel like a million dollars. Put on a product they enjoy watching and can see what the team are trying to do"

Well, his style of football makes me feel like s***, even some of the players are unsure of what they're supposed to be doing and his stubborn nature of wishing to turn footballers into "athletes" has failed us.

Add his recruitment into the mix (considering his stubborn nature of sticking with his 'system') and he comes across as a clueless fool. How I wish we could get rid of him tomorrow!

 

[ANGERMAN1]

25 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

Chef's kiss of a post.

Not anti-Warne but feeling as despondant as quite a few of us are about his managerial abilities.

We want to believe, but we're given scant reason to do so.

If I could be arsed with the backlash I'd create a thread asking people what it is about what they've seen of Paul Warne as the manager of Derby County that leads them to believe that it will come good given time. It's still too early to judge is the usual answer, which isn't really an answer at all tbh.

Name 5 genuinely positive things that Warne has done and/or reasons which justify his continued tenureship without mentioning Rotherham or the EFL, or the fear of the unknown etc, you know? an actual defence of Warne and his football that isn't based largely on blind faith and past successes at a very different club.

It feels like there are some just wilfully ignoring it muddying any evidence presented to them and grasping at whatever straw they can to.... I'd say defend him but often it's not even that, just picking apart arguments and making strawman suppositions to deflect from the issue at hand.

Oh come on now, he did ask to get the coffee machine working again! And he also errrrrr......yeah, that's it 🤣

[Hector74]

119 passes wow. Warne football is pub league at best. He’s been in the job  nearly a year and the football is worse now than when he came in. 

[MackworthRamIsGod]

1 hour ago, MarsdenRam said:

The usual Saturday night toddler tantrums on here I see. If David Clowes has the sense I think he has, he will stick with Warne even if we don't go up this year.

"Even if we don't go up this year"

More chance of Warne platting his hair than there is of us going up this year.

We are a big club, the biggest in league 1 and Warne has approached it with the mentality that we are a Rotherham, a Wycombe and he wants us to win ugly.

He is crap.

[AndyinLiverpool]

1 minute ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

"Even if we don't go up this year"

More chance of Warne platting his hair than there is of us going up this year.

We are a big club, the biggest in league 1 and Warne has approached it with the mentality that we are a Rotherham, a Wycombe and he wants us to win ugly.

He is crap.

Over here in pedants' corner, we'd like to point out that nobody is going up until next year.

[MackworthRamIsGod]

8 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Over here in pedants' corner, we'd like to point out that nobody is going up until next year.

Carry on as we are and I can see Paul going UP ta job centre this side of Christmas 👍 

[DarkFruitsRam7]

Fair enough wanting him out (I'm on the verge), but the whole PE teacher thing is both inaccurate and disrespectful. 

[ANGERMAN1]

11 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

Fair enough wanting him out (I'm on the verge), but the whole PE teacher thing is both inaccurate and disrespectful. 

He is fully trained as a PE teacher, it was his ambition and he does it voluntarily. So, it is pretty accurate 😜

[DarkFruitsRam7]

9 minutes ago, ANGERMAN1 said:

He is fully trained as a PE teacher, it was his ambition and he does it voluntarily. So, it is pretty accurate 😜

But he had a solid career as a professional footballer and has had success in his managerial career. Just feels unnecessarily disrespectful tbh.

[Ambitious]

I don't think people should be revisionists in the hiring of Paul Warne -- he had everything that was used as a stick to beat Rosenior with. He had experience as a manager, at this level, he played football with an emphasis on getting the ball forward quickly. No one can hammer Clowes for hiring a manager with three promotions in three attempts at this level, all while utilising a budget less than roughly half of our own. He knew the division really well and I think we all thought that he would iron out the nativity in the team shown under Rosenior. He did, for a period, which shows me that a mixture of the two of them garnered the best results. A possession based football team, not afraid to overload wide areas and get the ball forward quickly between November, December & January. 

All that being said, we focused on what he brought to the table that Rosenior couldn't, but ignored what Rosenior brought to the table that he couldn't IMO. One thing that I've learned that I previously overlooked is that we really need someone who understands the demands of this football, Warne has often tried to apply a mentality and mindset that isn't aligned with the supporters - the game today highlights that in that he tried to go to Bolton and play counter-attacking football. I'd understand if we played a Premier League side, but never did I expect to see a Derby County team set up in that manner in the third tier of English football. It leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. It's only the fourth season at this level in the club's history. 

I have no love for Warne at the moment, I just feel his football philosophy (although I can understand some of the logic behind it) doesn't align with what I want. Results aside, I feel a lot of people feel the same way. Wins offer some respite, but every loss is focused on the same things. It just feels like this is leading to an inevitable conclusion already, not because i don't feel like we won't make top 6, but because people don't like his strategy. It's eerily similar to both Nigel Pearson and Gary Rowett. Rowett got results, but wasn't liked - every loss raised the same questions. I would include Clement too. 

Next time I would make it a priority to find a manager who has had some form of success at a big club as a player or coach/manager. 

[S8TY]

Nice bloke I like Warne and this was his big chance, he could not turn down the oppurtunity to manage a much bigger club than Rotherham and I admire his honesty but it's seriously not going to change much IMO

What I mean is the football is dreadful and when Oxford were passing it around us at home I thought it was a bit embarrasing that we were chasing shadows , plenty of huff and puff but very little technique and tactics other than the usual get crosses into the box etc etc 

I cannot remember a manager who's so set on a specific anti football style then suddenly turning it around and playing great football .....it just doesnt happen , you have to see roots of growth and something that you think is encouraging but I'm not seeing it...

Cocu was an International footballer and had played for Barcelona but joined the club at bad time just before the season started and with all of Lampards loanees gone and with only a few weeks before the season started yet he was dismissed yet some want to give Mr Warne a few seasons with no credible signs of improvement after a year!

I like possesion football and have never liked a game plan where you let the opposition have the ball and If we had a manager who was trying to get us playing more coherently and keeping the ball then I'd say give them time because some of the better sides play this way Brighton for example play great stuff but the success is down to getting the right managers in Potter and De Zerbi , who had heard of either before Brighton employed them ??

Our choice of manager cannot be based on a track record of getting out of League 1 as for me that is too short sighted ...we need someone who's going to play and build a team that is sustainable in the championship if and when we get there ....

This is why I am now leaning towards the Warne out camp but only if he is replaced with someone who will play a good style of football not another PW type like Macarthy or Big Sam as these managers are now dinosaurs ...the game has moved on....

Because he's ex Forest this will be unpopular but Mark Warburton is looking for a managerial position after leaving West Ham and he would be my choice, plays good football and has a good eye for talent or maybe try and tempt Graham Potter to come back into a lower level with big bonuses for promotion and success , someone who will get us playing a brand of football we'd like to watch , may sound optimistic but why not ? we are Derby County and have a fantastic fan base and for the right manager this is a dream job where they could build something long term .....not a Darren Moore either ...I don't see PW turning what we are currently seeing into something we'd like to see each week....

[S8TY]

Interesting to see that some Warne fans are slowly turning and I'm one of them