The Paul Warne Poll

[DCFC Kicks]

4 minutes ago, Ramley Apple said:

That said I would keep him for now, it's too early to be changing manager and we were never likely to get anything away at Bolton anyway

I thought Bolton looked quite poor actually. Lots of possession but not much threat, and looked vulnerable when we attacked  

[GeneralRam]

Just now, Ramley Apple said:

Today perhaps not, but they are second in the league for a reason and our season isn't going to hinge on away results at sides like Bolton

It’s not just Bolton thought is it? We’ve been w*** all season with seemingly no improvement or plan.

The fool needs to go.

 

[RoyMac5]

2 minutes ago, Ramley Apple said:

Today perhaps not, but they are second in the league for a reason and our season isn't going to hinge on away results at sides like Bolton

If we'd have won we'd have been above them. They are 2nd because we were rubbish.

[Ramley Apple]

4 minutes ago, GeneralRam said:

It’s not just Bolton thought is it? We’ve been w*** all season with seemingly no improvement or plan.

The fool needs to go.

 

I don't disagree mate, and if he went tonight I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken

Give him the international break to try and sort things out and if we're no better afterwards then I'll be all for getting rid

Edited September 2, 2023 by Ramley Apple

[Ramley Apple]

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

If we'd have won we'd have been above them. They are 2nd because we were rubbish.

I think they'll finish top six personally

But we were rubbish you're not wrong

[nottingram]

1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said:

If Clowes was the person whom chose Warne as manager and this is being expressed now as the wrong decision how will the same person then make the right decision next time.

This is so true.

It’s a bit like when I go to a restaurant and order a meal but don’t like it that much. Instead of learning from it I keep going back and just order the same thing over and over again as I just can’t trust myself to make a good decision.

[Rich3478]

5 minutes ago, Ramley Apple said:

Today perhaps not, but they are second in the league for a reason and our season isn't going to hinge on away results at sides like Bolton

It isn’t it but it’s hard to watch games like today and be happy with it. 
Not saying warne has to go now but can’t be many people left who’d miss him if he left? Am pretty sure most managers could get as much from this group of players as warne is.

[RoyMac5]

1 hour ago, Tyler Durden said:

If Clowes was the person whom chose Warne as manager and this is being expressed now as the wrong decision how will the same person then make the right decision next time.

Or perhaps being an intelligent bloke with a lot at stake, he'll learn from his mistake.

[Ramley Apple]

Just now, Rich3478 said:

It isn’t it but it’s hard to watch games like today and be happy with it. 
Not saying warne has to go now but can’t be many people left who’d miss him if he left? Am pretty sure most managers could get as much from this group of players as warne is.

I wouldn't be shedding any tears if he left, put it that way

I just think we're only a win away from the top six - give him the break to try and sort things out and if we're still as bad afterwards then make a change

[Tyler Durden]

7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Or perhaps being an intelligent bloke with a lot at stake, he'll learn from his mistake.

If he's an intelligent bloke then why didn't he make the right decision the first time?

Or maybe he did.

[Sheff Ram]

9 minutes ago, Ramley Apple said:

I wouldn't be shedding any tears if he left, put it that way

I just think we're only a win away from the top six - give him the break to try and sort things out and if we're still as bad afterwards then make a change

This is pretty much my view too. Today we narrowly lost away to a team that will be Top 6 via a pen and an OG after our keeper had been sent off. Let's see where we are at after 15 games.  

[8Leeds]

3 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

If he's an intelligent bloke then why didn't he make the right decision the first time?

Or maybe he did.

[StaffsRam]

3 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

If he's an intelligent bloke then why didn't he make the right decision the first time?

Or maybe he did.

On paper PW ticked a lot of boxes. A record of success at this level and used to achieving it on a shoestring. Unfortunately Derby aren’t Rotherham and the respective expectations are completely different, particularly where the fans are concerned. I’m not sure DC factored that in, but who knows 🤷‍♂️

[RoyMac5]

7 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

If he's an intelligent bloke then why didn't he make the right decision the first time?

Or maybe he did.

It's a new business to him. he takes advice. makes a decision but maybe hasn't given the emphasis to the right areas of the decision. That seems a bit obvious though.

[i-Ram]

I actually feel sorry for Warne tonight. I didn’t see the game, but just watched a few highlights.

He is imo out of his comfort and ability zone, and I would happily see him go, but he had a bum steer today what with Cashin most likely not in the right frame of mind, Thommo (and some legs) not available to him in midfield, Rooney’s injury, Bradley (his big summer signing) making another poor mistake, having to play 45 minutes with 10 men, and a flukey deflected winning goal for Bolton.

That doesn’t though excuse a performance where as a team we only could put 200 passes together (120 successful), and one shot on target (presumably the penalty). There really must be a major flaw in his system, not just bad luck, that has contributed to todays result. We do have some very good League 1 standard players. They should be performing better.

That all said, If we had got a point today, it would have been a very good point.

David Clowes is unlikely to sack Warne yet; I think we must all know that. The international break has come at a good time for us, and Warne. Hopefully it will help some players recover from injury, Bird, Barkhuisen, Thommo and Sibley, and give some breathing space for Fornah, John-Jules and Embleton to settle into the squad. However, it will hopefully also be a period in which Warne (and his coaches) realise that they must be doing something a lot better with the set of players we have. We need to start playing more controlled football, not simply looking to gas-out the opposition. We really aren’t good enough to do that unless he wants to drop a lot of the older members of the squad. In the next 2 months, with the options he now or will have available, there has to be a discernible improvement in performance otherwise I think fan reaction will force Clowes’s hand.

[RadioactiveWaste]

Derby lost and my harmonica practice wasn't good this evening, so I guess for Paul warne it's back to:

 

[RoyMac5]

11 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

...However, it will hopefully also be a period in which Warne (and his coaches) realise that they must be doing something a lot better with the set of players we have. We need to start playing more controlled football, not simply looking to gas-out the opposition. We really aren’t good enough to do that unless he wants to drop a lot of the older members of the squad. In the next 2 months, with the options he now or will have available, there has to be a discernible improvement in performance otherwise I think fan reaction will force Clowes’s hand.

Not going to happen. Didn't happen last season and won't this. It is his one and only mantra.

[alram]

1 hour ago, Dcfcsr92 said:

Small club manager. That's all we expect too much as a bigger club then Rotherham we don't need to be negative. Negative managers never last with derby, simple 

very blunt response but i do agree.

 

when you are derby manager the underdog stuff just doesnt wash even if we are.

 

he has to puff his chest out and say we are derby county. The football we get served up is really poor, i think deep down Clowes knows he has made a mistake but not sure warne is doing enough to get him to pull the trigger. ironically LR felt like a far better and wiser fit for where we were as a club

[Millenniumram]

When you’re such a bad manager than even Phil Brown looks intelligent, then it’s probably time to call it a day and go back to teaching PE

[SSD]

When I saw Warne at Rotherham I thought fair enough, he has to play more ugly football due to his budget constraints and being a manager at a smaller stature club. I thought he hit a ceiling with them and did a good job. I was certain he would step it up with us. Bigger club, high expectations, intergrate his more pragmatic style with our tidy and technically solid football. A good fusion. In reality, his football is horrible to watch, his stubbornness and inability to evolve kick and lump it is starting to pee alot of supporters off. 

I've hardly seen any games home or away under his tenure where I've thought we have completely dominated matches. Even when we had that steady run of clean sheets, the matches were really drab and tedious affairs. We never really controlled the play, but the majority of opposition were mid to lower table crap which meant our defence barely had much to do. He has relied on individual brilliance (Dizzy and now Waghorn) to constantly bail him out. I look at all the good sides I've watched over the years and I think yes, we've had quality players head and shoulders above the rest of the squad at times, more importantly the team always stood out as a brilliant unit. Watching Paul Warne set out his team, I'm hoping for a piece of magic for 5 minutes to get us the 3 points every week. That is nowhere good enough, especially as we are one of the big teams in this division. 

His persistence to try and play wing backs is getting laughable. I'm depressingly admiring him for being so stubborn that he wants his precious 3 5 2 to work. It hasn't. Admit it. Every bleedin time he reverts to that system, we look even worse and our shape is a complete mess off the ball. I'll admit I have underestimated how many League One teams get the ball down and keep the ball well. We can't get near teams at times and it's a shambles. In my head we cannot get rid of him because he'll cost too much in compo and his long contract was given for a reason to stabilise the club. My DCFC heart says get rid of this chap, a manager completely out of his footballing depth. The media love him and bluntly, I do not care. Be a good football manager first then make me laugh 👍

Even though Rosenior had a horrid away record, at least I could see what he was trying to do. Possession football, dominating teams. We were battering some teams away from home, we just couldn't quite get it in the net. Over more time, averages say all them shots would have meant goals eventually. I could get behind the project as a supporter. I am reaching deep down to support Warneball. When I watch the team, we are all over the place with no clear plan other than an obsessive nature to cross the ball constantly with no build up play. Even if by some miracle we gain promotion, I'd have limited confidence in this manager to take us further. Where would we go in the Championship? Try and ping it 50 yards whilst all the teams pass rings around us. 

I'd sack this muppet tomorrow but he has to stay because we've committed to him. We've made that decision so the club needs to stick. A real shame.