angieram Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Foreveram said: It definitely doesn’t count as one of his games but not sure if he is allowed to play. Surely that would be 'double jeopardy'? If he can't play it SHOULD count as one of his three games. If it doesn't count as one of his three games he SHOULD be allowed to play. They can't have it both ways? ?♀️ SKRam, RadioactiveWaste, Carl Sagan and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Collins either can play, or it will be one of his suspended games. I'm fairly sure it's the former and he will play in this game. TaahnRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, angieram said: Surely that would be 'double jeopardy'? If he can't play it SHOULD count as one of his three games. If it doesn't count as one of his three games he SHOULD be allowed to play. They can't have it both ways? ?♀️ They can, they make the rules, and then Gibson approves it.? hintonsboots, angieram and SKRam 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuniverse Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 12 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: A reminder of the rules for folk, given we have the vital game at Ipswich three days later. If we can afford it I'd likely take the fine, but if we're not taking the fine and are looking for four qualifying outfield players, I would pick: Stearman, Forsyth, Smith (for fitness) and Roberts giving a team of: Loach Stearman Rooney Roberts Oduroh Thompson Smith Ibrahim Forsyth Lo-Everton Cybulski Is Cybulski able to play given he's on loan at Matlock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stuniverse said: Is Cybulski able to play given he's on loan at Matlock? I believe so, if agreed with Matlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich84 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Suspensions in this competition and the League do not cross over as far as I know. Loach Rooney Stearman Forsyth Oduroh Hourihane Smith Tommo Roberts Collins McGoldrick Subs: Wildsmith, Cashin, Mendez-Laing, Knight, Aghatise, Haigh, Wheeldon 2 hours ago, Foreveram said: It definitely doesn’t count as one of his games but not sure if he is allowed to play. As @angieramand @Ambitioushave said, can't believe they can prevent you playing in a competition that isn't part of the ban, domestic bans dont prevent playing in UEFA competitions for instance, but FA Cup and League Cup count to the league, needs to be challenged if it does. Also, if the ban doesn't count as it is a 'lesser' non related competition how can they stipulate the requirement to use a min number of players playing in the non related competitions, again it makes no sense. But, as you said @Foreveram, the EFL make the rules and we know how carp they are at that Edited October 17, 2022 by Rich84 Typo RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Collins could always get himself sent off in a pizza match and thus resolve any ongoing confusion. He wouldn't even have to be playing, he could just run on and clatter someone and run off again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: I believe so, if agreed with Matlock. Really? Bearing in mind this is officially a first team game for us, not an academy fixture, I'd be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Kokosnuss said: Really? Bearing in mind this is officially a first team game for us, not an academy fixture, I'd be surprised. It's a loan to a non-league club. May Contain Nuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaahnRam Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: A reminder of the rules for folk, given we have the vital game at Ipswich three days later. If we can afford it I'd likely take the fine, but if we're not taking the fine and are looking for four qualifying outfield players, I would pick: Stearman, Forsyth, Smith (for fitness) and Roberts giving a team of: Loach Stearman Rooney Roberts Oduroh Thompson Smith Ibrahim Forsyth Lo-Everton Cybulski Agree about Roberts given a chance in the back 3 and the likes of Fozzy, Thompson and Oduroh need minutes. Would like to see Robinson/Aghatise in ahead of Ibrahim & Lo-Everton being as they were involved at Mansfield and wouldn't be surprised to see McGoldrick to get 45 along with Smith. Expect to see Collins up top given he can play in this game - think I read that in the DET though so ? Edited October 17, 2022 by TaahnRam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Rich84 said: As @angieramand @Ambitioushave said, can't believe they can prevent you playing in a competition that isn't part of the ban, domestic bans dont prevent playing in UEFA competitions for instance, but FA Cup and League Cup count to the league, needs to be challenged if it does. Also, if the ban doesn't count as it is a 'lesser' non related competition how can they stipulate the requirement to use a min number of players playing in the non related competitions, again it makes no sense. But, as you said @Foreveram, the EFL make the rules and we know how carp they are at that Please note, I’m not saying he can’t play, only that I don’t know whether he can or not. The EFL rules on red cards state that this competition does not count towards a three game league ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveram Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 The last line is crucial. jono, SKRam and Rich84 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Well I think maybe collions might be able to play unsure through but jake Rooney probley play I keep wildsmith in goal for tommrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Man City will field a young side, having only used 1 player older than 19 all season. Former Derby academy player True Grant (16) could make the squad, with him being on the U21s bench in their last game. Man City's front three will most liekly be Mebude, Dickson and Borges, who have scored a combined 12 goals in 9 U21 games this season (2 in the EFL Trophy match vs Mansfield. SKRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I think reds count across all competitions, suspensions through yellow card accumulation are event specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Foreveram said: The last line is crucial. As I read that, he can play. SKRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Loach Stearman Rooney Fozzie Oduroh Smith Thompson Bird ( C) Roberts Mcgoldrick Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black ('n' White) Sheep Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I know I'm in a minority, but I'd like to have a go at this competition... it's a chance to get to Wembley and actually win something! Loach Rooney Stearman Forsyth Oduroh Knight Smith Thompson Roberts Collins McGoldrick jono and RoyMac5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuniverse Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, roboto said: Can we play Collins here if he’s still suspended for league games? Collins is suspended for three league matches. The Papa Johns Trophy isn't a league match so he is eligible to play against Man City U21s. Edited October 17, 2022 by Stuniverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Spalding Ram Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, archram said: Papa Johns Trophy Derby County v Manchester City U21s Tuesday 18th October at 7pm at Pride Park Stadium I don’t entirely understand the system ( true of many things!) but I think if we win or draw this we qualify for the knockout round? If it’s a draw I don’t want any nonsense like the last game ! ? 5.1.2 Round of 32. (i) The eight winners and eight runners up of the north and south group stages qualify for the round of 32. All other Clubs are eliminated from the Competition. (ii) The round of 32 pairings are determined by means of a draw whereby the winner of a group will be drawn at home and will play a runner up of a group from the same region (but not from the same group). Edited October 17, 2022 by Old Spalding Ram archram and rammieib 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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