Haydon Roberts - signed for Bristol City

[MackworthRamIsGod]

59 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Lolz - usual suspects already whining. Could at least wait until we're a couple of days into the window, as per normal. 

And here we are, 2nd season of league 1 football.

The usual suspects may have been onto something all these years.

I remember being laughed at on here when I suggested we should try and follow the Brentford model and that Brentford would reach the prem before us. I was being negative...

To be honest not even I expected us to be end up 2 divions below Brentford (or Luton, or Forest).

 

[Comrade 86]

10 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

And here we are, 2nd season of league 1 football.

The usual suspects may have been onto something all these years.

I remember being laughed at on here when I suggested we should try and follow the Brentford model and that Brentford would reach the prem before us. I was being negative...

To be honest not even I expected us to be end up 2 divions below Brentford (or Luton, or Forest).

 

How many teams have been relegated to L1 under admin, started a season with 6 contracted senior players, no pre-season to speak of and under embargo for the 3rd year running AND STILL achieved promotion in a single season with a cobbled together squad of kids and ageing old pros? Come back and whine about it if we fail this year for crissakes. Starting to moan before we've lost a single player and over a week before the window opens is as childish as it is premature, especially when it's an annual event.

[JJH]

40 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

Chill out folks - the lad did alright last season in the third division in a side that finished 7th - he scored two goals I think which was helpful but looked uncomfortable at left wing back - he has a lot to learn yet. He would have been useful to have back but this is what happens when you have loan players - there not ours and his basic wage was high at Brighton so Bristol city can afford to increase their £500,000 a week losses where as we are being fairly responsible 

I think you've been anything but responsible with money in recent years in fairness.

The same can be said about us when Lansdown fell asleep at the wheel and let Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson spend recklessly, and up until this financial year we've been feeling the effects of it.

But we've massively trimmed our wage bill under Nigel Pearson, developed a lot of young players from the academy (one we sold for 11m in January, and the next is about to go for £25m this summer).

We're being just as responsible as the new look Derby County are, it's hardly a reckless signing getting a promising young defender on a free.

[Comrade 86]

27 minutes ago, JJH said:

I think you've been anything but responsible with money in recent years in fairness.

The same can be said about us when Lansdown fell asleep at the wheel and let Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson spend recklessly, and up until this financial year we've been feeling the effects of it.

But we've massively trimmed our wage bill under Nigel Pearson, developed a lot of young players from the academy (one we sold for 11m in January, and the next is about to go for £25m this summer).

We're being just as responsible as the new look Derby County are, it's hardly a reckless signing getting a promising young defender on a free.

Don't think we were ever losing £420 grand a week mate. Were it not for COVID write-offs and the loans provided through the EFL, neither of which were we allowed to claim, you'd be in the same doodoo we found ourselves in. Honestly, a Bristol fan jumping on a Derby forum to sermonise on fiscal prudence is like Attila the Hun handing out anger management advice 🙄

Edited June 6, 2023 by 86 Hair Islands

[JJH]

Just now, 86 Hair Islands said:

Don't think we were ever losing £420 grand a week mate. Were it not for COVID write-offs and the loans provided through the EFL, neither of whihc were we allowed to claim, you'd be in the same doodoo we found ourselves in. Honestly, a Bristol fan jumping on a Derby forum to sermonise on fiscal prudence is like Attila the Hun handing out anger management advice 🙄

We lost that because of COVID - the main source of our stable income was gone and the transfer market was decimated.

We've both spent recklessly in pursuit of the PL, and both suffered because of it.

Roberts isn't joining us because we're offering him some daft deal whilst you're offering him a sensible one, there's a whole host of reason why we're a more attractive proposition than you lot currently. That's just how it is.

[Comrade 86]

7 minutes ago, JJH said:

Roberts isn't joining us because we're offering him some daft deal whilst you're offering him a sensible one, there's a whole host of reason why we're a more attractive proposition than you lot currently. That's just how it is.

Where have I argued otherwise? 

If, and it's not confirmed yet, he does choose to leave, so be it, but If he doesn't join now, you're going to look a bit of a fool, just as you do jumping on another team's forum and getting all triggered when you don't like what they have to say. 

Edited June 6, 2023 by 86 Hair Islands

[Scott129]

15 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Where have I argued otherwise? 

If, and it's not confirmed yet, he does choose to leave, so be it, but If he doesn't join now, you're going to look a bit of a fool, just as you do jumping on another team's forum and getting all triggered when you don't like what they have to say. 

 

Our own local journo, Leigh Curtis, seems pretty resigned to the fact we've lost out on him...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-haydon-roberts-manager-8499553

[Sparkle]

23 minutes ago, JJH said:

We lost that because of COVID - the main source of our stable income was gone and the transfer market was decimated.

We've both spent recklessly in pursuit of the PL, and both suffered because of it.

Roberts isn't joining us because we're offering him some daft deal whilst you're offering him a sensible one, there's a whole host of reason why we're a more attractive proposition than you lot currently. That's just how it is.

Hmmm not sure what the whole host of reasons are apart from money - it’s not like you try to get promoted or anything 

[YorkshireRam]

19 minutes ago, JJH said:

Roberts isn't joining us because we're offering him some daft deal whilst you're offering him a sensible one, there's a whole host of reason why we're a more attractive proposition than you lot currently. That's just how it is.

1. Roberts hasn't signed yet so I'd be careful wording it like it's a done deal.

2. It really isn't a ''whole host of reasons'', it will literally only be because you're in the league above... More security, far bigger crowds, and more familiarity VS playing a division higher. I honestly can't think of any other Plus in your column unless maybe you play a system that suits him really well?

[Alty_Ram]

1 minute ago, JJH said:

We lost that because of COVID - the main source of our stable income was gone and the transfer market was decimated.

We've both spent recklessly in pursuit of the PL, and both suffered because of it.

Roberts isn't joining us because we're offering him some daft deal whilst you're offering him a sensible one, there's a whole host of reason why we're a more attractive proposition than you lot currently. That's just how it is.

No, and I can't really argue too much with that and if someone has also done a good job of selling your setup and his potential role in it then that's how it goes. Equally we'll be seen as a much better option for some promising incoming players than many League 2 and League 1 teams and we need to take advantage of that.

As regards your point about academy and our better young players. That is an area that we suffered really badly through all the financial carnage, so there is likely to be very limited help from that source for us for the immediate future so we are going to need to be really canny with our recruitment. We are seriously short on numbers as much as anything else though and have a really small squad, even for this level. Players have been released and loans gone back and others are reported to be being wanted by other clubs so either way we'll need some serious squad building and that includes rebuilding the U21s from the rubble of their terrible season. U21s got absolutely battered last year - must have been seriously dispiriting.

The financial upheaval caused us to lose a steady stream of good youngsters for nothing or peanuts due to contractual limitations and our academy was gutted and a lot of excellent work from the last few years was completely undone. Most of the players who were good enough were either poached by other clubs or were moved into the first team squad due to necessity. Rebuilding the damage caused at that level will take a considerable amount of work. Green shoots from the U18s though so longer term it's perhaps looking more hopeful.

[Comrade 86]

5 minutes ago, Scott129 said:

 

Our own local journo, Leigh Curtis, seems pretty resigned to the fact we've lost out on him...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-haydon-roberts-manager-8499553

Yes, it seems there is fire as well as smoke, but for the last time, I've not disputed that, have I? 

[Gaspode]

12 minutes ago, Scott129 said:

 

Our own local journo, Leigh Curtis, seems pretty resigned to the fact we've lost out on him...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-haydon-roberts-manager-8499553

I don't put too much weight behind Leigh's pronouncements at the moment - seems he spends most of his time between here and Twatter looking for gossip - I did wonder at one point whether he and @Oldben were one and the same.....

[Scott129]

6 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Yes, it seems there is fire as well as smoke, but for the last time, I've not disputed that, have I? 

Not sure why you seem to be getting so defensive - I've just linked to an article that adds to the story?

[Comrade 86]

3 minutes ago, Scott129 said:

Not sure why you seem to be getting so defensive - I've just linked to an article that adds to the story?

Not being defensive mate, I'm just fed up with answering points that I've not made and folk who have the patience of a mardy toddler, though before you accuse me of being defensive, that's not directed at you.

[Day]

5 hours ago, hintonsboots said:

On the other hand did Warne really want him ?

You raise a valid question which nobody actually knows the answer to.

But anyway, that doesn't matter, panic as we've missed out on another player.

[JJH]

1 hour ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Where have I argued otherwise? 

If, and it's not confirmed yet, he does choose to leave, so be it, but If he doesn't join now, you're going to look a bit of a fool, just as you do jumping on another team's forum and getting all triggered when you don't like what they have to say. 

 

1 hour ago, Sparkle said:

Hmmm not sure what the whole host of reasons are apart from money - it’s not like you try to get promoted or anything 

 

1 hour ago, YorkshireRam said:

1. Roberts hasn't signed yet so I'd be careful wording it like it's a done deal.

2. It really isn't a ''whole host of reasons'', it will literally only be because you're in the league above... More security, far bigger crowds, and more familiarity VS playing a division higher. I honestly can't think of any other Plus in your column unless maybe you play a system that suits him really well?

It is a done deal, he's been down and signed.

But anyway, we are trying to get promoted and we spent to try and get promoted across a number of years pre COVID, but the previous regime of idiots just did a poor job of it 😆

Wasn't trying to antagonise, just came on to find out if he was a decent signing. Seems he's a better CB than a LB which is a bit concerning as he seems to be signing because Joe Bryan now isn't. Oh well.

[YorkshireRam]

13 minutes ago, JJH said:

 

 

It is a done deal, he's been down and signed.

But anyway, we are trying to get promoted and we spent to try and get promoted across a number of years pre COVID, but the previous regime of idiots just did a poor job of it 😆

Wasn't trying to antagonise, just came on to find out if he was a decent signing. Seems he's a better CB than a LB which is a bit concerning as he seems to be signing because Joe Bryan now isn't. Oh well.

Good to know, cheers for the info.

And yeah neither was I, more stressing that being a league higher is a BIG incentive and you don't need much else to be able to tempt a player from us down here in the doldrums of League 1 😂 

I think he'll be a very competent fullback at Championship-level. Solid progressive dribbler and advances play well, bringing the ball from defence into midfield. As other have said, crossing was inconsistent but this could be rectified easily. I suspect he'd be best as a traditional LB- reckon you'll be playing a back 4 next season?

[hintonsboots]

1 minute ago, YorkshireRam said:

reckon you'll be playing a back 4 next season?

I thought Pearson invented 4-4-2.

[JJH]

4 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

Good to know, cheers for the info.

And yeah neither was I, more stressing that being a league higher is a BIG incentive and you don't need much else to be able to tempt a player from us down here in the doldrums of League 1 😂 

I think he'll be a very competent fullback at Championship-level. Solid progressive dribbler and advances play well, bringing the ball from defence into midfield. As other have said, crossing was inconsistent but this could be rectified easily. I suspect he'd be best as a traditional LB- reckon you'll be playing a back 4 next season?

You're right, that and the fact we can offer more money currently are the main ones I'd suggest aren't they.

I think we'll be playing a 4-3-3 but I've no idea, genuinely think our squad is now best suited to a 3-5-2 but I suppose we'll have to wait and find out what Pearson is thinking. 

You lot trusting Warne to get you back up? He's a bit of a L1 specialist isn't he so I'd fancy it, but from what I've seen of Rosenior at Hull I feel he'd have had a bit of a higher ceiling with you lot than Warne does? No idea what your lot's views on it are so may get completely shot down for that.

[YorkshireRam]

2 minutes ago, JJH said:

You're right, that and the fact we can offer more money currently are the main ones I'd suggest aren't they.

I think we'll be playing a 4-3-3 but I've no idea, genuinely think our squad is now best suited to a 3-5-2 but I suppose we'll have to wait and find out what Pearson is thinking. 

You lot trusting Warne to get you back up? He's a bit of a L1 specialist isn't he so I'd fancy it, but from what I've seen of Rosenior at Hull I feel he'd have had a bit of a higher ceiling with you lot than Warne does? No idea what your lot's views on it are so may get completely shot down for that.

I think he'll be an ideal Pearson-style fullback: solid defensively but with the offensive qualities to advance play when needed. 

And we'll see, given all our departures our squad is going to look radically different from last season. With no players through the door yet it feels impossible to say. Hope so, but I'll probably be cautious.