kevinhectoring Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, TomG said: Pay Boro and Wycombe for what exactly? The claims are all supposition! Perhaps the claim is this: - the league is a contract between the EFL and the clubs - Derby are in breach of contract because they broke the rules of the FFP game - so other clubs are entitled to sue them if they suffer damage as a result there could be other ways of formulating the claim (eg conspiracy between MM and dcfc) These are not claims that will ever win imho but there’s enough in it to bugger up our exit from administration. It’s been dreamt up by Couhig I’d think. It’s further evidence that the US legal system is the worst in the world and that many successful US lawyers are in fact pond life BUT for fans to say they’d rather drop out of the league than hold our noses and do a deal ... I don’t get it Anyway, those fans will be ignored The problem however is that Gibson is refusing to do a deal that reflects the weakness of his claim because he is on a mission to ... oh, push us out of the league TomG, RadioactiveWaste and Kathcairns 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: Perhaps the claim is this: - the league is a contract between the EFL and the clubs - Derby are in breach of contract because they broke the rules of the FFP game - so other clubs are entitled to sue them if they suffer damage as a result there could be other ways of formulating the claim (eg conspiracy between MM and dcfc) These are not claims that will ever win imho but there’s enough in it to bugger up our exit from administration. It’s been dreamt up by Couhig I’d think. It’s further evidence that the US legal system is the worst in the world and that many successful US lawyers are in fact pond life BUT for fans to say they’d rather drop out of the league than hold our noses and do a deal ... I don’t get it Anyway, those fans will be ignored The problem however is that Gibson is refusing to do a deal that reflects the weakness of his claim because he is on a mission to ... oh, push us out of the league You're right of course but hypothetically it's nicer to say on internet forums that we'll never give in, never surrender, we will fight them in the beaches, we will fight them on the recreation grounds etc etc. But the administrators have duty to creditors and money will be the ultimate arbiter of how things go. kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: Perhaps the claim is this: - the league is a contract between the EFL and the clubs - Derby are in breach of contract because they broke the rules of the FFP game - so other clubs are entitled to sue them if they suffer damage as a result there could be other ways of formulating the claim (eg conspiracy between MM and dcfc) These are not claims that will ever win imho but there’s enough in it to bugger up our exit from administration. It’s been dreamt up by Couhig I’d think. It’s further evidence that the US legal system is the worst in the world and that many successful US lawyers are in fact pond life BUT for fans to say they’d rather drop out of the league than hold our noses and do a deal ... I don’t get it Anyway, those fans will be ignored The problem however is that Gibson is refusing to do a deal that reflects the weakness of his claim because he is on a mission to ... oh, push us out of the league If Derby have breached the contract between them and the EFL (which we haven't) , then it is for the EFL to pursue us (which they have) and nothing to do with Boro or Wycombe. Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I wouldnt pay them anything at all even if it means the club going out of business. If the league is just going to be people suing each other for nebulous reasons im not interested in watching it anyway Eddie and kevinhectoring 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I wouldn’t give either the steam off my piss. Take us to court and potentially open the floodgates or bog off imo GenBr and r_wilcockson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Shouldn’t the Administrators be saying loudly that If these claims continue Derby county will have start legal proceedings against the most obvious one QPR for the same reason ( and a much better case) - I know I don’t want that to happen but I would like to hear QPR viewpoint not to mention the EFL Kathcairns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriggRam Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 That pole is a worse choice than do ya mum or be done by ya dad ? MackworthRamIsGod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, BriggRam said: That pole is a worse choice than do ya mum or be done by ya dad ? Something you want to get off your chest Brigg? Comrade 86, TigerTedd, kevinhectoring and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: If Derby have breached the contract between them and the EFL (which we haven't) , then it is for the EFL to pursue us (which they have) and nothing to do with Boro or Wycombe. But 1 there is evidence we have breached it : a £100k fine and an agreed decision of -9 points. (You might argue it’s wrong to classify that as a breach of contract of course) 2 they will say it’s not a contract between EFL and us. It’s a contract between the EFL and all of the clubs. And (here’s the problem) there’s nothing in that contract that says clubs can’t sue each other. Worse, there’s something in it that says how it should be done (ie arbitration) I don’t think they’ll win, don’t get me wrong. I’m saying this is why the admins can’t ignore the claim Maharan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: Take us to court and potentially open the floodgates or bog off imo They have 6years to decide to take us to arbitration (I think). Do you think we can fund a 6 year administration ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Gibson doesn't have a leg to stand on with his obserb claims and figures which he's picked out of thin air. Wycombe need to take out any grivements with the EFL as they are the ones who choose to hit us with a points penalty this season as opposed to last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Neither. Tell them to swivel and sue the EFL if they side with the two other clubs and stop us coming out of Administration on the basis of a contrived claim that hasn't even been tested in front of an Arbitration panel. I might as well claim against the pair of them for damages arising from stress and mental injury brought about by all this crap. As a claim, it would have as much credibility. RAM1966 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Let them take us to court. I'd be sickened if we gave them a penny. EtoileSportiveDeDerby and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathcairns Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ram1988 said: Gibson doesn't have a leg to stand on with his obserb claims and figures which he's picked out of thin air. Wycombe need to take out any grivements with the EFL as they are the ones who choose to hit us with a points penalty this season as opposed to last season. Cant understand this clubs sueing each other, efl docking points off clubs, clubs going into liquidation. Every season the parachute clubs going up then coming back down relegated clubs with points deducted and the same rich clubs winning the prem every year. Soon there will be no enjoyment in going to watch football. Dont all the people in charge realise they are killing the golden goose. angieram and TigerTedd 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Wouldn’t pay them a penny EtoileSportiveDeDerby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, PistoldPete said: What is a significant amount of money? Both claims are wildly inflated so I cannot imagine anyone being willing to pay the full amount, especially as the consensus is that the claims are without merit. In this case 1 p is significant as far as I’m concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic70 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Rampant said: Let them take us to court. I'd be sickened if we gave them a penny. We should send a cheque with that grand sum to Miserable Buggers & Waitrose Wanderers. Edited January 11, 2022 by Asanovic70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said: But 1 there is evidence we have breached it : a £100k fine and an agreed decision of -9 points. (You might argue it’s wrong to classify that as a breach of contract of course) 2 they will say it’s not a contract between EFL and us. It’s a contract between the EFL and all of the clubs. And (here’s the problem) there’s nothing in that contract that says clubs can’t sue each other. Worse, there’s something in it that says how it should be done (ie arbitration) I don’t think they’ll win, don’t get me wrong. I’m saying this is why the admins can’t ignore the claim 1) The first was highly dubious, and is not a precedent. Boro would have to prove we breached any rule on the depreciation issue. The points deduction depended on the first alleged breach and was only an agreed penalty to try and get the thing over with. 2) Clubs can have disputes between themselves. If we sign a player from Boro and we don't pay them they can sue us. If we arrange a match and don't turn up then they can sue us. But they can't sue us on a matter where there is no contract between us and not a matter that has already been decided with an appropriate penalty given by the EFL . And to be honest that is by no means the only problem that Boro will have with their claim. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: 2) Clubs can have disputes between themselves. If we sign a player from Boro and we don't pay them they can sue us. If we arrange a match and don't turn up then they can sue us. But they can't sue us on a matter where there is no contract between us and not a matter that has already been decided with an appropriate penalty given by the EFL . And to be honest that is by no means the only problem that Boro will have with their claim. Out of interest why do you think there has to be some form of contract to be in place for a business to be able to sue another business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Definitely the second option for me, but I am a stubborn bar steward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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