Van der MoodHoover Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said: Bristol will be fine as I expect Lansdown will stand behind them unlike Mel who did the unthinkable. But it shows the pitfalls of the benefactor model in an era distorted by parachute payments making it a grossly unfair playing field. FFP isn’t working as a measure of control. All Derby and Bristol (and other clubs) have tried to do is compete, everyone is at it and if the EFL are consistent in their approach based on how they have dealt with our case then I’m expecting points deductions for half the league. We have been given no allowance for Covid we’ve been forced to cut a deal as we’re trying to get out of administration. Why should other clubs?! It stinks! All I want is fairness and consistency. I don’t wish other clubs ill but we’re being made out as cheats of the century and several fans of other clubs have revelled in our demise so if they they’ve broken FFP whatever revenue is lost to Covid - ducking penalise them. All that you are presuming is the absolute epitome of the benefactor model. If lansdown gets bored or decides he doesn't want to keep losing money, he has the absolute ability to bring bcfc to insolvency on his own capricious whim. Who knows where his breaking point is. Only him. BramcoteRam84 and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said: All that you are presuming is the absolute epitome of the benefactor model. If lansdown gets bored or decides he doesn't want to keep losing money, he has the absolute ability to bring bcfc to insolvency on his own capricious whim. Who knows where his breaking point is. Only him. Or like for the F*rest fans when the 'unthinkable' happened with Doughty? Edited December 30, 2021 by RoyMac5 Van der MoodHoover and Crewton 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 It would be interesting to see Bristol City’s (and other teams) losses over a recent 3 year period. Bristols are £49m over 2 years so will probably go higher. I agree with COVID related deductions but they need to be reasonable, appropriate and consistent. It is possible that those that have overspent can use COVID to bring them in line with FFP. If the EFL accept Bristols £16m COVID figure and they spend less than £6m over the limit in the third year they will be fine. Although I don’t agree with any deduction for FFP for loss of player sales, that’s just the market. our problem was the overspend in non covid years. I would expect us to be so far below FFP at the moment it will be unreal. the big difference is the administration, I for one have always said that our debt is not the biggest, we just don’t have an owner to bail us out. re Mr Pop, sorry but he does deserve a back lash. He took the p out of Derby fans trying to look positively on our circumstances and he is doing exactly the same. Looking at them with rose tinted glasses and coming up with figures to justify the,, just like we tried to do. i think BCFC got used to selling players for big fees and that became their operating model. Once that fails you are in trouble the only difference between us and them is that the owner didn’t put them into administration. We both had operating models that are/were flawed as have most clubs. the list of clubs with overspends will continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briz Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Bristol City will not fail FFP Read Below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 31 minutes ago, Briz said: Bristol City will not fail FFP Read Below: Oh well, they're still losing lots of dosh and paying out silly money on wages for a poor team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briz Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Oh well, they're still losing lots of dosh and paying out silly money on wages for a poor team! Yeah, no doubting that. Wage bill is said to have dropped by a third this season with scope to get rid of the huge wages of Kasey Palmer and Nahki Wells so should drop significantly further. It is a genuine possibility that next season our wage bill could be half of our wage bill last season. Seems those at the top clocked on to our awful position just in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 58 minutes ago, Briz said: Bristol City will not fail FFP Read Below: What’s the excuse for losing £412,000 a week for ten years and still being dreadful with extremely limited entertainment provided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, Briz said: Yeah, no doubting that. Wage bill is said to have dropped by a third this season with scope to get rid of the huge wages of Kasey Palmer and Nahki Wells so should drop significantly further. It is a genuine possibility that next season our wage bill could be half of our wage bill last season. Seems those at the top clocked on to our awful position just in time. Yeah that's what we have been doing for a couple of years. Just means you'll end up with a slowly declining team. So you'll be alright assuming you don't get the likes of Maguire raking through your accounting minutiae and deciding you should have done things differently 4 years ago..... RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 31 minutes ago, Briz said: Yeah, no doubting that. Wage bill is said to have dropped by a third this season with scope to get rid of the huge wages of Kasey Palmer and Nahki Wells so should drop significantly further. It is a genuine possibility that next season our wage bill could be half of our wage bill last season. Seems those at the top clocked on to our awful position just in time. Really? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Briz said: Yeah, no doubting that. Wage bill is said to have dropped by a third this season with scope to get rid of the huge wages of Kasey Palmer and Nahki Wells so should drop significantly further. It is a genuine possibility that next season our wage bill could be half of our wage bill last season. Seems those at the top clocked on to our awful position just in time. Let's just hope for your sake the guy at the top doesn't just give up on a whim, best not give him any grief when you get relegated or finish bottom-half or he'll pull the plug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 The idea that you can simply "get rid" of useless players on big wages when their contract isn't near its end has a familiar ring to it........? rynny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 On 30/12/2021 at 11:04, Briz said: Yeah, no doubting that. Wage bill is said to have dropped by a third this season with scope to get rid of the huge wages of Kasey Palmer and Nahki Wells so should drop significantly further. It is a genuine possibility that next season our wage bill could be half of our wage bill last season. Seems those at the top clocked on to our awful position just in time. We did this, but far too late, our wage bill has dropped like a stone over the last 3 years. I’m a bit concerned about deductions for COVID, and I’m thinking of the likes of Stoke here. I think it should only be attendance, hospitality and the collateral costs relating to that. Cost 0f player sale, amortisation of players (I know) etc should not be included. Also it should be net costs so for instance we have 22000 STs but still retained circa 8k during that period. it should all be based on the average of the previous 3 years non covid earnings. This should all be published. The loans etc given by the EFL should be disclosed as income . just my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nottingram Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, rynny said: Can we sue if it doesn’t go through this season? Crewton, Sparkle and Rammy03 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 And Boro facing serious scrutiny!!!! Karma!! If they take into account the Covid seasons then everyone is screwed and half the league will get points deductions. Ridiculous. But in the deal the administrators did I’m sure that included points deductions being applied for expected breaches last season. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Us and Reading to the rest of the championship. Premier ram, Ramarena, GenBr and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 If the EFL did bring in a rule change to allow for COVID, then surely Derby would have grounds to ask for at least some of the points back? Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-ceo-sends-message-6477092 Get this for a quote : Quote Bristol City CEO Richard Gould believes the EFL’s Profit & Sustainability require urgent reform to preserve the credibility of the Championship following the “act of God” that was the pandemic, which has left the club fighting record losses and in danger of a points deduction in the near future. I suggest Quantuma get back on the blower to the EFL sharpish if this is going to be the PR spin from a few more clubs. Oh, but hang on....... I forgot the correct response is "Derby aren't the only team affected by Covid, but....." Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: Us and Reading to the rest of the championship. Don’t get too excited about a points deduction this season. According to Bristol Live they will be within the three year P & S threshold this season (due to the previous two seasons showing a combined profit of £1m) but next years figures could be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I had a wry smile at this part of the Bristol Post article too: Quote Discussions are still being held to establish whether forecast transfer revenue can be included, along with ticket sales, as an “add-back”, with City to seek independent auditors and transfer experts to determine the full figure, which is deeply subjective. Residual values anyone?? I might buy some shares in Transfermarkt if THAT goes through. BramcoteRam84 and Ramarena 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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