The Administration Thread

[Tamworthram]

2 minutes ago, StarterForTen said:

Surely MFC's claim - as it currently appears to stand - is a claim levied by one EFL member against another EFL member. Effectively an internal dispute of two members within a private members club.

For it to be any more than that, then a Letter Before Action will need to have been served on specific individuals and/or a legal entity I doubt that has been done.

I thought they were unable to take any legal action against the club whilst it was administration?

[PistoldPete]

6 minutes ago, angieram said:

"One part" - they are still not admitting that this is "THE" jam, are they? ?

Still trying to spin it. The other part being the Pb announcement which we know will follow almost immediately after the Boro Wycombe claims  are clarified / removed from the equation.

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14 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

Fair, didn't realise there were doubts over the authenticity of the email.

BAWT didn't actually post the screenshot themselves, had they had done I would have trusted it 100%.

And whilst I thought they would have verified before tweeting, I just wanted that added confirmation to add and hopefully allow you all to enjoy your evenings.

There is a lot of discussion even this morning on if it's even possible, worth noting that Rick Parry hasn't instantly ruled it out unlike some fans.

That would suggest to me it's not that clear cut and could be possible.

The initial reaction appears to be the EFL are on board with this, if Gibson and Couhig refuse then it will be interesting to see how it develops.

They have called for pragmatic solutions, yet according to Mel's statement Wycombe have yet to even file a claim and all Boro have done is call for talks and reportedly lowered their asking price whilst also, according to Mel's statement, unavailable for arbitration until May.

This could be the turning point, the EFL have an easy escape route if they wish to take it, and so far, it's looking positive.

[Tyler Durden]

13 minutes ago, StaffsRam said:

If it’s about recouping lost earnings then Mel’s just given you the perfect route. The only route. The catch, no kangaroo court to deliver your fait accompli verdict, so how confident are you with your fairytale claims?

Gibson can easily decline this, but there’s no real way of doing it without looking like a proper c***. It’s also the EFL’s only and last chance to avoid setting a precedent that will have huge, negative, ramifications for the future of football.

It doesn't really change anything apart from giving Morris a conduit to put across how he wasn't such an abject steward of the Football Club after all. 

I don't think Gibson gives a rats ass how he is perceived if Derby do go under as I genuinely believe he is that entitled that he still thinks he is owed the money and this should have been sorted yonks ago. 

All these open letters will just precipitate another volley of returns back over the net from the EFL Gibson et al with another wedge of precious time being wasted. 

[PistoldPete]

8 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Could it now be any clearer? In the space of 48 hours the EFL have stated BOTH that the club has the offer of EITHER 'impartial' arbitration OR the High Courts as a means to satisfy claims AND that they now acknowledges MFC/WWFC as football creditors, which would leave arbitration as the sole route forward. Wholly contradictory statements and yet another example of their contemptuous abuse of power. There has been no discussion, no arbitration and no independent input to this decision, rather it is a call made arbitrarily and unilaterally by the EFL board with no outside consultation and in contravention of their own directives. Do these clowns even read what they regurgitate into the public domain? Do they not even cross-reference the claims made in one with the other? The inconsistencies (read: huge ducking porkies) are glaring and have been for two years now. Likewise Gibson who appears to have the attention span of a hungry toddler and the linguistic skills of one too.

Heads must now roll at the EFL. There is NO ROOM FOR DOUBT anymore. In their poorly conceived and executed PR campaign seeking to shift the onus to Morris, the admins and even the 'highest bidder', they have absolutely tied themselves in knots and in doing so, have threatened both the stability and integrity of the League they are meant to govern and serve. 

At this point, the 72 member clubs simply must act. There can be no remaining doubt that the EFL prioritises its own interests over those of its member clubs. Ladies and gentlemen, the tail is clearly wagging the dog. This is, of course, a wholly unacceptable state of affairs and will inevitably lead to chaos should the precedent they seek to set be entertained. Every subsequent season will start with multiple different fixture lists as the governing body and civil courts wade through dozens of spurious football related claims, clubs will be forced into admin and /or liquidation and the league system as we know it, will fail. A vote of no confidence and the immediate resignations of Rick Parry and Trevor Birch are now mandatory requirements on the long road back to credible and impartial governance of the League. For any governing body, as custodians of football, to bring bring the English game into such hopeless disrepute is simply unforgiveable and action must be taken sooner rather than later, irrespective of the situation at Derby County.

As for Messrs Gibson and Couhig, your bluff has now been called. If you truly believe in the veracity of your claims and are not simply looking to leverage the threat of liquidation to extort funds from a club who has already accepted its punishment (in keeping with the EFL's own directives), it's time for you to accept Mr Morris's offer of your day in court. Any other course of action will merely confirm suspicions of the very unsavoury motivations that have led to what appears to have been a merit-less witch-hunt borne solely out of greed and petty personal grievances. I'm looking at you specifically Gibson. You chose to prioritise continuing your spat with Mel Morris over the future of the club, the welfare of it's employees, the sustainability of local businesses and the mental health of the wider community. This will NEVER be forgotten, nor forgiven. I speak only for myself when I say that having been a chairman whom I once held in high regard, I have now come to despise everything for which you stand. 

I trust also that those on this forum who openly mocked posters who for two years have openly expressed the view that the EFL's treatment of Derby County Football Club has been less than impartial, will now take time to think about whether said posts were fair, warranted or helpful. Hindsight, it is true, is a wonderful thing, but so too is an open mind.

A last thought in regards to Mel Morris; Mel, I was one of your staunchest supporters. I was wrong. It broke my heart when you placed the club into administration. Perhaps there are circumstances as yet unknown, but we are where we are and your sir, were the custodian of this club we all love. Inevitably, the buck stops with you. All of this notwithstanding, thank you for the steps you have now taken to break the impasse. What's done can't be changed, but I do hope that this will at least give harsher critics some small pause for thought. 

The other 71 clubs don’t care until it happens to them. 

An independent regulator is a given now, 

And it needs an independent enquiry into the actions of the Efl.

but none of that will happen quickly enough. So Morris and Q need to keep the legal pressure on these chancers.

[i-Ram]

1 hour ago, Eatonram said:

Have Q issued a statement supporting and welcoming MMs offer? If not why not. It seems obvious.

They should say absolutely nothing at this stage. And ‘we’ should not be encouraging them to make a statement (not that they will be swayed by fan opinions). If Morris has done one thing he has shone a big media spotlight on both Gibson and the EFL. Quantuma should say nothing until both the other parties have put out their response, which they will be hounded to do early next week by media outlets, MPs, and supporter groups. Once they have made their reply Quantuma can use though replies to their better advantage.

[Ram-Alf]

23 minutes ago, StaffsRam said:

Re this being a MFC vs DCFC thing and that being the basis for Gibson declining Mel’s offer:

If that’s the case, what is MFC’s endgame here? If they win, there’s no money to pay them so it’s liquidation. Gibson knows that, so if that’s the intended endgame fine, but please don’t trot out meaningless platitudes about not wanting us liquidated and not wanting the fans to suffer because rejecting Mel’s offer makes it abundantly clear to everyone that liquidation is their required outcome.

If it’s about recouping lost earnings then Mel’s just given you the perfect route. The only route. The catch, no kangaroo court to deliver your fait accompli verdict, so how confident are you with your fairytale claims?

Gibson can easily decline this, but there’s no real way of doing it without looking like a proper c***. It’s also the EFL’s only and last chance to avoid setting a precedent that will have huge, negative, ramifications for the future of football.

Perfect summery imo StaffsRam ?

[RoyMac5]

10 minutes ago, David said:

There is a lot of discussion even this morning on if it's even possible, worth noting that Rick Parry hasn't instantly ruled it out unlike some fans.

That would suggest to me it's not that clear cut and could be possible.

The initial reaction appears to be the EFL are on board with this, if Gibson and Couhig refuse then it will be interesting to see how it develops.

Is he the EFL then? Is that how they work?! This is so wrong isn't it. 

Surely he should have said nothing but 'we'll look at it'.

Edited February 5, 2022 by RoyMac5

[PistoldPete]

7 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

It doesn't really change anything apart from giving Morris a conduit to put across how he wasn't such an abject steward of the Football Club after all. 

I don't think Gibson gives a rats ass how he is perceived if Derby do go under as I genuinely believe he is that entitled that he still thinks he is owed the money and this should have been sorted yonks ago. 

All these open letters will just precipitate another volley of returns back over the net from the EFL Gibson et al with another wedge of precious time being wasted. 

I think you are wrong. Yes there is a heavy dose of self justification from Morris and that isn’t going to absolve him.

But combined with action by q , it should influence things whether Gibson and co like it or not. Even parry is now acknowledging this.

q can enforce its statutory protection For Dcfc and Boro and Wycombe cannot claim they are being prejudiced by that .And Efl should remove their threat of expulsion … on what grounds can the Efl maintain that threat now? 

[Tyler Durden]

1 minute ago, PistoldPete said:

I think you are wrong. Yes there is a heavy dose of self justification from Morris and that isn’t going to absolve him.

But combined with action by q , it should influence things whether Gibson and co like it or not. Even parry is now acknowledging this.

q can enforce its statutory protection For Dcfc and Boro and Wycombe cannot claim they are being prejudiced by that .And Efl should remove their threat of expulsion … on what grounds can the Efl maintain that threat now? 

That's cool as I would love to be proved wrong in this instance.

Will bet you a half eaten hob nob.

[i-Ram]

36 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

Fair, didn't realise there were doubts over the authenticity of the email.

 

[PistoldPete]

1 hour ago, David said:

Assuming he means a deal with HMRC, the stadium sale, creditors as they have always claimed that the Boro/Wycombe claims are not the only obstacle.

No they are not the only obstacle to us emerging from admin but they are the only obstacle to us announcing a Pb.

[BramcoteRam84]

2 hours ago, angieram said:

The reason he has done it this way is to make it clear that the only way for there to be a fair hearing is through the high court.

If he just agrees to indemnify the claim, the EFL and Middlesbrough will continue to push for closed shop arbitration rather than a court decision, where they can select their counsel to get the result they want. Their track record of impartiality when it comes to Derby County is pretty damning.

Mel Morris doesn't trust the EFL to play fair. I don't trust the EFL to play fair either.

Spot on. Fully agree this was the right move from Mel as his first move and he’s absolutely right that the high court should be the only place for this.  However only way I think it will be resolved is if he moves towards indemnifying the claims as I don’t think they will go for it (Boro/Wycombe) and I don’t think the EFL will do the right thing. It’s the biggest move anyone has made in this whole saga so let’s hope it will forge a path towards resolution. 

[PistoldPete]

1 minute ago, Tyler Durden said:

That's cool as I would love to be proved wrong in this instance.

Will bet you a half eaten hob nob.

Thanks . Offer it to Gibson instead it’s more than he will get out of us.

[strawhillram]

6 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

That's cool as I would love to be proved wrong in this instance.

Will bet you a half eaten hob nob.

Which half?

[Comrade 86]

6 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

The other 71 clubs don’t care until it happens to them. 

I disagree. Every club who has been sanctioned under FFP in the last 6 years will now be anxiously monitoring events given every single one of them could now find themselves open to claims from other clubs (akin to those of MFC and WWFC) who feel the transgressors have profited from their FFP breaches and compromised the chances of others as a result.

I'm not even sure how this is open to debate ?‍♀️

[Mihangel]

21 minutes ago, David said:

BAWT didn't actually post the screenshot themselves, had they had done I would have trusted it 100%.

And whilst I thought they would have verified before tweeting, I just wanted that added confirmation to add and hopefully allow you all to enjoy your evenings.

There is a lot of discussion even this morning on if it's even possible, worth noting that Rick Parry hasn't instantly ruled it out unlike some fans.

That would suggest to me it's not that clear cut and could be possible.

The initial reaction appears to be the EFL are on board with this, if Gibson and Couhig refuse then it will be interesting to see how it develops.

They have called for pragmatic solutions, yet according to Mel's statement Wycombe have yet to even file a claim and all Boro have done is call for talks and reportedly lowered their asking price whilst also, according to Mel's statement, unavailable for arbitration until May.

This could be the turning point, the EFL have an easy escape route if they wish to take it, and so far, it's looking positive.

Agreed - I mentioned similar earlier on, it does feel like a turning point. From my point of view, there is nowhere to go for MFC and WWFC if they are acting in (their words, not mine) "Good faith" then they must accept the offer. I've thought for a while that we are ahead in the PR game, now I know it.

[IlsonDerby]

Is this longer than the George thorne thread yet?

[DarkFruitsRam7]

15 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

 

Acceptance of being wrong is something Gibson and the EFL could learn. And Mel.

Edited February 5, 2022 by DarkFruitsRam7

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3 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

Acceptance of being wrong is something Gibson and the EFL could learn. And Mel.

I'm still yet to receive an apology though, all I got was a "erm...didn't realise" ?