CornwallRam Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, Ambitious said: If that's the case then surely liquidate the club and start again? I'd imagine there is a bigger apatite from fans over a new phoenix club than there would be for the above scenario. It's not even remotely close for me. Hit the reset button and start again for me. I don't think there's much chance of that lot being true. If by some chance it is, and we face several seasons of points deductions and embargoes, it will be hard to maintain interest. Personally, I would rather we started again in the Conference North and were at least competitive again. Ambitious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, Ambitious said: If that's the case then surely liquidate the club and start again? I'd imagine there is a bigger apatite from fans over a new phoenix club than there would be for the above scenario. It's not even remotely close for me. Hit the reset button and start again for me. no ground, no history, over 130 years of records extinguished, playing non league football on a pitch shared by another similar team. Re start is not the phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: It sounds horrendous … it was written by a red dog though.. hes going to add a few extra layers on though isnt he mel has done many things badly … do u think he would let us be liquidated though? Do you want the honest answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, Spanish said: no ground, no history, over 130 years of records extinguished, playing non league football on a pitch shared by another similar team. Re start is not the phrase. Glasgow Rangers restarted with all things (ground etc.) the same? RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAccessMemory Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Ted McMinn Football Genius said: The accounts may well have been compliant legally for companies law, but this has no bearing on the rules of the football league. Clubs agree to compliance to the rules, it is in their articles of association. 40 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: This is completely wrong. We were ordered to resubmit accounts which were in accordance with FRS102... not necessarily straight-line Exactly, also the bit I’ve quoted above, definitely not true in the case of amortisation, there was no mention of how only that it must be done, the only regulation relevant is that the accounts have to be in accordance with FRS102. Also, as an aside, I keep seeing people mention that Mel cannot sell the stadium back for a lesser amount, and that the EFL would be all over it. From everything said in both ours and Sheffield Wednesday’s DC documentation this is untrue, the only reason he had to sell it for fair market value is because he was a related party to the sale, if he is no longer a related party, which he won’t be, it is irrelevant. The ruling for the stadium is done, the EFL had 14 days after the ruling to appeal it, they didn’t. What happens going forwards has no bearing on what happened in the past, circumstances have changed so plans for the stadium have subsequently changed, it doesn’t change the reasons for the previous sale. The Scarlet Pimpernel and duncanjwitham 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: I don't think there's much chance of that lot being true. If by some chance it is, and we face several seasons of points deductions and embargoes, it will be hard to maintain interest. Personally, I would rather we started again in the Conference North and were at least competitive again. There will always be interest, look at Rangers FC. Derby is a well supported club, especially for the size of the city. Not many cities can boast Derby's attendances in proportion to their size. Even if interest wanes a bit it will always be there and can come back. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: mel has done many things badly … do u think he would let us be liquidated though? He's made that a distinct possibility by putting us into administration, (which was 100% his call and his call alone). Edited September 20, 2021 by Grumpy Git RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: Glasgow Rangers restarted with all things (ground etc.) the same? you have a dream, good for you. My view is that we are not Rangers (one of the top 2 teams in Scotland), this is not Scotland there are far more leagues to navigate, this is not Scotland the competition is far more fierce, Derby is not Glasgow atherstoneram, Carl Sagan, NottsRam77 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Spanish said: no longer his choice though Agree.. but would he do it knowingly that there was a chance of liquidation Or that removing himself from the equation appeases the efl (to an extent) and makes the process of buying the club an easier one im only throwing it out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Grumpy Git said: He's made that a distinct possibility by putting us into administration, (which was 100% his call and his call alone). Sorry what im saying is would he surely .. without knowing something we dont i dont know im just clutching at straws probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: It sounds horrendous … it was written by a red dog though.. hes going to add a few extra layers on though isnt he mel has done many things badly … do u think he would let us be liquidated though? It's more of a preference, for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm fairly sure it's not completely accurate. I'm just saying as a hypothetical that I'd much rather have a phoenix team than a side plagued by financial restrictions and roughly 70 point penalties over the next 4-5 years. I'd imagine most people would. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Spanish said: no ground, no history, over 130 years of records extinguished, playing non league football on a pitch shared by another similar team. Re start is not the phrase. The ground would be owned by Mel. I'd think a ground share wouldn't be needed. The Derby fan who killed his 130 year old club also won't allow them to use the stadium? I'm really no fan of Mel, but even I can't see him stooping that low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Spanish said: you have a dream, good for you. My view is that we are not Rangers (one of the top 2 teams in Scotland), this is not Scotland there are far more leagues to navigate, this is not Scotland the competition is far more fierce, Derby is not Glasgow The situation is not the same, Rangers do occupy a fairly unique spot in the make up of Scotland (that extends beyond the football club). However, there is a good analogy for a route back. It would take a lot longer for us, be a harder road and the end point may well be a league 1/championship club. However, the approach could be emulated and the desire for Derby to have a football club is strong enough for a team to rise. I'd rather a phoenix club exist in Derby than nothing and have to watch Partick Thistle. Spanish and archram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: Agree.. but would he do it knowingly that there was a chance of liquidation Or that removing himself from the equation appeases the efl (to an extent) and makes the process of buying the club an easier one im only throwing it out there the analogy is very dramatic and probably one I will regret, but threatening admin in these circumstances is a like a writing a suicide note whilst standing in the middle of the M1. It is a humongous gamble that someone will read it and save you NottsRam77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Ambitious said: The ground would be owned by Mel. I'd think a ground share wouldn't be needed. The Derby fan who killed his 130 year old club also won't allow them to use the stadium? I'm really no fan of Mel, but even I can't see him stooping that low. I wouldn't put him above playing hardball "oh it's an £80 million pound stadium, if you want to play in it you need to pay the going rate" and the new DCFC saying "ok, we can negotiate a groundshare at notts county/burton albion, given the league we are playing in" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: The situation is not the same, Rangers do occupy a fairly unique spot in the make up of Scotland (that extends beyond the football club). However, there is a good analogy for a route back. It would take a lot longer for us, be a harder road and the end point may well be a league 1/championship club. However, the approach could be emulated and the desire for Derby to have a football club is strong enough for a team to rise. I'd rather a phoenix club exist in Derby than nothing and have to watch Partick Thistle. why not just take the points penalty and start from L2 rather than farther down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I wouldn't put him above playing hardball "oh it's an £80 million pound stadium, if you want to play in it you need to pay the going rate" and the new DCFC saying "ok, we can negotiate a groundshare at notts county/burton albion, given the league we are playing in" etc. perhaps that's we helped out with Mickleover when they had their pitch stolen, that will be our ground share?? RadioactiveWaste and GenBr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Spanish said: perhaps that's we helped out with Mickleover when they had their pitch stolen, that will be our ground share?? Haven't we got some sort of relationship with Tamworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Definitely not advocating liquidation if any other option available (Bolton route). But administrator will need to find a buyer or else that’s it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Ted McMinn Football Genius said: Possibly so @BramcoteRam84 just forwarding on something I’ve been sent. Hope you’re right ?? Just wanted to allay your fears mate. It’s grim enough as it is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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