Get him gone.

[Jimbo Ram]

9 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said:

Fair enough.  But what is it in the current performances, approach to games, tactics, selections, game management, etc that gives you the faith he deserves it?  And that he can develop a plan?

We are currently going from game to game with different approaches.  Rooney has said he hasn’t had time to implement a philosophy.  I’d argue 30+ games is enough time.  And international breaks are the ideal opportunity to bed in that philosophy and plan.

Like flogging a dead horse ? I have tried and tried asking him that question but he has failed to answer, it is totally bizarre. I just laugh at his posts now, far less frustrating ?

[AndyinLiverpool]

Surely they are just making one of those fly-on-the-wall documentary series. They had one for Leeds and Sunderland, didn't they?

The Derby one is the pro-celebrity version with some hapless Z-lister has a go at managing a football club and everyone tunes in to piss themselves at how rubbish he is.

[Jimbo Ram]

26 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Surely they are just making one of those fly-on-the-wall documentary series. They had one for Leeds and Sunderland, didn't they?

The Derby one is the pro-celebrity version with some hapless Z-lister has a go at managing a football club and everyone tunes in to piss themselves at how rubbish he is.

Yea, we did the pilot with Harry and now gone the full hog with Wazza........shows him playing a bit of golf, visiting Age Concern chatting with the ladies, the odd argument with Coleen and the players laughing at him in the dressing room giving his motivational team talks.....

[Bob The Badger]

16 hours ago, Oldben said:

Rooney wasn't qualified to be a manager.

What about Lampard in his first season, was he qualified?

Or, what about Gerrard?

The argument to make imho isn't is/was he qualified enough (or experienced for that matter), but is/was he smart enough, flexible enough, savvy enough and ultimately, good enough.

Rooney has qualifications up to his nutscack, but they don't appear, at least as of now, to compensate for all the other stuff he lacks,

 

[Jimbo Ram]

2 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

What about Lampard in his first season, was he qualified?

Or, what about Gerrard?

The argument to make imho isn't is/was he qualified enough (or experienced for that matter), but is/was he smart enough, flexible enough, savvy enough and ultimately, good enough.

Rooney has qualifications up to his nutscack, but they don't appear, at least as of now, to compensate for all the other stuff he lacks,

 

What managerial qualifications....

[Olton Ram]

43 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Surely they are just making one of those fly-on-the-wall documentary series. They had one for Leeds and Sunderland, didn't they?

The Derby one is the pro-celebrity version with some hapless Z-lister has a go at managing a football club and everyone tunes in to piss themselves at how rubbish he is.

It would make compulsive viewing, but the way the season progressed, both on and off the pitch, most people would think it was a spoof. 

[BaaLocks]

Since we have been relegated Derby have had twelve managers (not counting caretakers and interims like Hutchings, Powell and Lowe). More than half those games have been Clough and McLaren. Since Tim Ward only four managers (Smith, Rowett, McLaren and Lampard) have left of their own accord. This century Todd, Gregory, Brown, Jewell and Pearson have a worse PPG return than Rooney. Put plainly, we are poison to any managerial career.

In the last six months Rooney has had to work with an owner out for a long time with C-19, a farce of a takeover bid, a transfer embargo, an EFL appeal, another sale, no funds, repeated injuries to his best players and playing in front of empty stadia. Throughout this he, a man who frankly isn't in it for the money, has never once complained, strutted or threatened. He's just got on with it.

Is he learning his craft? You betcha. Will he turn out to be the next Sir Alex? No clue. Was he a gamble that we shouldn't have had to take? Most certainly.

But - we did and we're in now. This season is run - whatever happens between now and the last game of the season cannot be improved, surely, by bringing in a new manager. If only for the reason this is far from all the manager's fault. We're awful at the moment, it's a crime that this club has fallen from where it has in such a short time (again!) but it has and until someone comes in to build it up again don't expect any manager, Rooney or otherwise, to start pulling rabbits out of hats.

[MuespachRam]

4 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said:

They are struggling, he might have bigger aspirations, replace Klopp maybe ?

yeah maybe, he has been sacked now hasn't he, after leading them to their worst run of defeats in their entire history..?

[Jimbo Ram]

13 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

Since we have been relegated Derby have had twelve managers (not counting caretakers and interims like Hutchings, Powell and Lowe). More than half those games have been Clough and McLaren. Since Tim Ward only four managers (Smith, Rowett, McLaren and Lampard) have left of their own accord. This century Todd, Gregory, Brown, Jewell and Pearson have a worse PPG return than Rooney. Put plainly, we are poison to any managerial career.

In the last six months Rooney has had to work with an owner out for a long time with C-19, a farce of a takeover bid, a transfer embargo, an EFL appeal, another sale, no funds, repeated injuries to his best players and playing in front of empty stadia. Throughout this he, a man who frankly isn't in it for the money, has never once complained, strutted or threatened. He's just got on with it.

Is he learning his craft? You betcha. Will he turn out to be the next Sir Alex? No clue. Was he a gamble that we shouldn't have had to take? Most certainly.

But - we did and we're in now. This season is run - whatever happens between now and the last game of the season cannot be improved, surely, by bringing in a new manager. If only for the reason this is far from all the manager's fault. We're awful at the moment, it's a crime that this club has fallen from where it has in such a short time (again!) but it has and until someone comes in to build it up again don't expect any manager, Rooney or otherwise, to start pulling rabbits out of hats.

But other than for a number of the factors you mention, he would have been sacked before now. It isn’t solely down to him, the club has been a shambles on and off the pitch for sometime. Mel should never have appointed Wazza, rookie Manager to deal with this mess, but he did and Wazza took the job. Now, like all Managers, regardless of circumstances, he has to take ultimate responsibility for performances, points and where we are in the table. That’s why he needs to go, just like Cocu did despite doing a bit better than Wazza...

[Chris_Martin]

35 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

Since we have been relegated Derby have had twelve managers (not counting caretakers and interims like Hutchings, Powell and Lowe). More than half those games have been Clough and McLaren. Since Tim Ward only four managers (Smith, Rowett, McLaren and Lampard) have left of their own accord. This century Todd, Gregory, Brown, Jewell and Pearson have a worse PPG return than Rooney. Put plainly, we are poison to any managerial career.

 

think Lampard would disagree with that, we helped get him the Chelsea job. 

Same with Mac, we helped get him the Newcastle job. 

[BaaLocks]

17 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said:

think Lampard would disagree with that, we helped get him the Chelsea job. 

Same with Mac, we helped get him the Newcastle job. 

Both of whom got fired and then (to date) never got anywhere near those levels again. If you think Derby propelled Schteve to a glorious career in football management then you might want to take a look where he is today.......

[RoyMac5]

1 hour ago, Bob The Badger said:

Rooney has qualifications up to his nutscack, but they don't appear, at least as of now, to compensate for all the other stuff he lacks,

You mean like players?

[DCFC Kicks]

1 hour ago, Bob The Badger said:

What about Lampard in his first season, was he qualified?

Or, what about Gerrard?

The argument to make imho isn't is/was he qualified enough (or experienced for that matter), but is/was he smart enough, flexible enough, savvy enough and ultimately, good enough.

Rooney has qualifications up to his nutscack, but they don't appear, at least as of now, to compensate for all the other stuff he lacks,

 

Does he? which ones?

Gerrard at least had a season or two with Liverpool's youth teams

Lampard had Jody who coached Chelsea's academy for 4 seasons and knew all about Mount & Tomori, and they'd been planning on managing together for years

The point about Rooney, Rosenior etc. is there's literally nothing.

There's an interview with Gerrard where he said he rejected the MK Dons job in 2016 because he wasn't ready, so he went back to Liverpool. That's exactly what Rooney should have done (and probably will do if he gets sacked), go back to Man Utd or Everton and coach in there academy for a few seasons. Rooney's probably treated us as a "The experience can't do any harm" job, he'll have many excuses lined up for why he failed here. It's actually quite selfish and arrogant of him to accept the managers role here. 

 

[BaaLocks]

39 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

But other than for a number of the factors you mention, he would have been sacked before now. It isn’t solely down to him, the club has been a shambles on and off the pitch for sometime. Mel should never have appointed Wazza, rookie Manager to deal with this mess, but he did and Wazza took the job. Now, like all Managers, regardless of circumstances, he has to take ultimate responsibility for performances, points and where we are in the table. That’s why he needs to go, just like Cocu did despite doing a bit better than Wazza...

But other than for those factors he could have built the squad in January into one that was preparing for a tilt at promotion next season. You, and I, simply don't know if that might have been the case.

Your logic on Wayne having to somehow take responsibility is seriously flawed. For what aim? To 'tar and feather' him and parade him down the Cornmarket as a pariah of the city? That won't keep us in the Championship and probably won't make you feel any better either. But other than just having a victim to blame I see no benefit what so ever in firing Wayne now, as Simon Jordan said, we're better off seeing this through, getting the takeover done (wherever we end up) and giving him a chance to build us up again. Or, at the least, part ways in the summer. Do you even know if we have the funds to terminate his contract? Do you know how much that would be? Do you know if that would seriously impact the gearing associated to the takeover? I don't - if you do I'm all ears.

So, in conclusion, well done on 43 pages of 'angry of Mackworth' trying to rouse the hordes against one individual when, actually, this is a clusterfork of epidemic proportions that goes way back before Cocu, Zamora or Clement. It's been unravelling for best part of a decade and there really is only one person who is ultimately the common thread through it all, even if he is 'one of our own'.

[RoyMac5]

4 minutes ago, DCFClks said:

Rooney's probably treated us as a "The experience can't do any harm" job, he'll have many excuses lined up for why he failed here. It's actually quite selfish of him to accept the managers role here. 

Bet the Spurs fans are saying the same about their predicament! ?

[DCFC Kicks]

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Bet the Spurs fans are saying the same about their predicament! ?

Spurs aren't battling to stay in there division, Spurs don't really have anything left to play for this season, Mason's only going to be there for about 10 games, It's a completely different situation. 

[RoyMac5]

Just now, DCFClks said:

Spurs don't really have anything left to play for this season,

Only a Carabao Cup and Europe! ?

[GenBr]

12 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

Both of whom got fired and then (to date) never got anywhere near those levels again. If you think Derby propelled Schteve to a glorious career in football management then you might want to take a look where he is today.......

What are you trying to argue here? Lampard and McClaren both went onto bigger and better jobs entirely due to their performance with us. Rowett is one of the very few Derby managers in the entire history of the club to be poached by another team. You can't blame Derby for these three not making the most of the opportunities given to them - thats just ridiculous.

Pearson destroyed his own career, as did Clement. We didn't "poison" either of their careers.

[Chester40]

11 minutes ago, BaaLocks said:

But other than for those factors he could have built the squad in January into one that was preparing for a tilt at promotion next season. You, and I, simply don't know if that might have been the case.

Your logic on Wayne having to somehow take responsibility is seriously flawed. For what aim? To 'tar and feather' him and parade him down the Cornmarket as a pariah of the city? That won't keep us in the Championship and probably won't make you feel any better either. But other than just having a victim to blame I see no benefit what so ever in firing Wayne now, as Simon Jordan said, we're better off seeing this through, getting the takeover done (wherever we end up) and giving him a chance to build us up again. Or, at the least, part ways in the summer. Do you even know if we have the funds to terminate his contract? Do you know how much that would be? Do you know if that would seriously impact the gearing associated to the takeover? I don't - if you do I'm all ears.

So, in conclusion, well done on 43 pages of 'angry of Mackworth' trying to rouse the hordes against one individual when, actually, this is a clusterfork of epidemic proportions that goes way back before Cocu, Zamora or Clement. It's been unravelling for best part of a decade and there really is only one person who is ultimately the common thread through it all, even if he is 'one of our own'.

I have one question to all this... 

Do you think Rooney is the best man to motivate and guide these players through the next 2 games? 

I think Mac would be a better option, would be a fresh voice and a more experienced and positive character. 

I'd get us through those games and see where we are, but either way round Wayne wouldn't be manager next year. 

[nottingram]

1 hour ago, BaaLocks said:

Since we have been relegated Derby have had twelve managers (not counting caretakers and interims like Hutchings, Powell and Lowe). More than half those games have been Clough and McLaren. Since Tim Ward only four managers (Smith, Rowett, McLaren and Lampard) have left of their own accord. This century Todd, Gregory, Brown, Jewell and Pearson have a worse PPG return than Rooney. Put plainly, we are poison to any managerial career.

In the last six months Rooney has had to work with an owner out for a long time with C-19, a farce of a takeover bid, a transfer embargo, an EFL appeal, another sale, no funds, repeated injuries to his best players and playing in front of empty stadia. Throughout this he, a man who frankly isn't in it for the money, has never once complained, strutted or threatened. He's just got on with it.

Is he learning his craft? You betcha. Will he turn out to be the next Sir Alex? No clue. Was he a gamble that we shouldn't have had to take? Most certainly.

But - we did and we're in now. This season is run - whatever happens between now and the last game of the season cannot be improved, surely, by bringing in a new manager. If only for the reason this is far from all the manager's fault. We're awful at the moment, it's a crime that this club has fallen from where it has in such a short time (again!) but it has and until someone comes in to build it up again don't expect any manager, Rooney or otherwise, to start pulling rabbits out of hats.

Yes the issues run much deeper than the manager, but you are not telling me we are not underperforming? 

This starting XI is not considerably different to the one that had play off form for the second half of last season. Wisdom, Clarke, Forsyth, Shinnie, Bird, Sibley/Knight, Lawrence, Waghorn were all regulars last season. The squad isn’t great but it is a lazy excuse to say it is rubbish and for some (not necessarily you) it wasn’t an excuse granted to the previous manager. Rotherham, Wycombe, Luton would kill to have some of the players that we do. 

So no, Rooney isn’t the only problem at the club, but he is one of them and he is causing more problems with each passing week. I don’t think anyone thinks everything will be solved by sacking the manager, but by not sacking the manager we are actively choosing to increase the chances of us being relegated. That makes the rest of the problems at the club much, much harder to solve. We have someone sat in some weird role who has literally been a successful manager both at this club and elsewhere, but particularly at this club. Tell me it isn’t complete and utter lunacy that we have our most successful manager of the last decade sat as an advisor to the board while we have someone who has never managed, being assisted by three coaches who have never managed, presiding over a run of 1 win in nearly a third of the season, seemingly completely untouchable? Let’s not forget he only got the job after his ‘performances’ contributed to the last manager getting sacked.