The coronabrexit thread. I mean, coronavirus thread

[Archied]

54 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

When the government reviewed the average salary based on regional pay in the same sector across regions for there 2013 pay negotiation -this is for office work rather than nurses,  the average salary for the same types of work was about 4 k higher in the private sector for the East Midlands.  The same independent review also deemed the work pension age should remain at 60 for retirement point.  Surprisingly, they ignored it, increased the work pension age to 67, tripled the contribution and made it career average instead of final salary.   As an addition the government decided that the non contracted out  pension element of National Insurance needed to be paid back.  Effectively, if you worked all you life as a civil servant you'll need to work 3 years longer to get the basic state pension.   The only perk if you can call it that is that your likely to have 2 years pre notice of any office closure.  Good job as the loss of jobs over 10 years is an epidemic with the nearest regional office normally Plymouth to Bristol or equally ridiculous. 

I'm sure everyone swallowed the rhetoric of loads of idle civil servants in bowler hats getting gold plated pensions, 50k salaries and every Friday in the pub when the government started the hatchet job.  Now there's 30'000 less people actually doing this work i imagine the loss to the exchequer runs into billions in unchecked tax returns, unfiled documents etc. The litmus test is how easy it is to get through to anyone , or anyone who knows what they're doing.  Twenty years you'd get to see someone face to face and get a local office name and number.

Public sector workers are an easy option to kick, especially after 7 years of pay freezes or below inflation pay rises when others made merry in the boom years.

You make some good points and it perhaps is time there was honest open debate over the pros and cons of what advantage s the public and private sector get relatively to each other

personally I haven’t put my rates up for about 8 years 

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15 minutes ago, sage said:

Compared the vaccine rollout to The Holocaust

Guess he wants a job on GB News

Ermmm no ,,,

Don’t know too much about him but what you say is misinformation, apparently he tweeted that a cardiac specialist had said to him that the mass vaccine roll out was the biggest crime against humanity SINCE the holocaust not what you post above

worth starting from the proper place ?

Edited January 11, 2023 by Archied

[sage]

4 minutes ago, Archied said:

Ermmm no ,,,

Don’t know too much about him but what you say is misinformation, apparently he tweeted that a cardiac specialist had said to him that the mass vaccine roll out was the biggest crime against humanity SINCE the holocaust not what you post above

worth starting from the proper place ?

so he publicly retweeted someone comparing the vaccine rollout to the holocaust

how wrong could i be...not very

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19 minutes ago, sage said:

so he publicly retweeted someone comparing the vaccine rollout to the holocaust

how wrong could i be...not very

No , the tweet does not compare the vaccine roll out to the holocaust at all ,it niether says it’s worse than , better than or on par with , it says the biggest crime on humanity SINCE the holocaust,, so yes you are very wrong 

now here’s the thing , personally virtually everyone I know has had the vaccine multiple times yet I don’t know a single person who has had a serious reaction in terms of being harmed by it so I’m not of the opinion that it causing mass health problems ( though again there needs to be proper monitoring and certainly in terms of giving it to the young as young a 6 months old) 

im going to be really interested in whether you and others are going to slate me for the above in the same way I was slated for using my eyes , ears and personal experience to form my opinion on covid , ie I have had it at least 3 times , I know many many people who have had it multiple times in fact I don’t know anyone who hasn’t ,yet I do not know a single person who has had serious illness or died from it before and after vaccines ,,

let’s see shall we ?

Edited January 11, 2023 by Archied

[Ram-Alf]

44 minutes ago, Archied said:

Ermmm no ,,,

Don’t know too much about him but what you say is misinformation, apparently he tweeted that "a cardiac specialist had said to him that the mass vaccine roll out was the biggest crime against humanity SINCE the holocaust" not what you post above

worth starting from the proper place ?

That's what was reported on Sky news today ?

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2 minutes ago, The Last Post said:

That's what was reported on Sky news today ?

Heard it on the radio and it immediately made me curious to see who had actually said what ,, seems others don’t react in the same way and then go on to compound it by ignoring the pointed out FACTS 

[Ram-Alf]

17 minutes ago, Archied said:

Heard it on the radio and it immediately made me curious to see who had actually said what ,, seems others don’t react in the same way and then go on to compound it by ignoring the pointed out FACTS 

I was watching the MPs grill/question the RMT, ASLEF and the TSSA Union leaders concerning the rail strikes and it was breaking news, Brigden is out spoken on a few things...was on a 5 day suspension now a little longer until an investigation/appeal 

[PistoldPete]

2 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

When the government reviewed the average salary based on regional pay in the same sector across regions for there 2013 pay negotiation -this is for office work rather than nurses,  the average salary for the same types of work was about 4 k higher in the private sector for the East Midlands.  The same independent review also deemed the work pension age should remain at 60 for retirement point.  Surprisingly, they ignored it, increased the work pension age to 67, tripled the contribution and made it career average instead of final salary.   As an addition the government decided that the non contracted out  pension element of National Insurance needed to be paid back.  Effectively, if you worked all you life as a civil servant you'll need to work 3 years longer to get the basic state pension.   The only perk if you can call it that is that your likely to have 2 years pre notice of any office closure.  Good job as the loss of jobs over 10 years is an epidemic with the nearest regional office normally Plymouth to Bristol or equally ridiculous. 

I'm sure everyone swallowed the rhetoric of loads of idle civil servants in bowler hats getting gold plated pensions, 50k salaries and every Friday in the pub when the government started the hatchet job.  Now there's 30'000 less people actually doing this work i imagine the loss to the exchequer runs into billions in unchecked tax returns, unfiled documents etc. The litmus test is how easy it is to get through to anyone , or anyone who knows what they're doing.  Twenty years you'd get to see someone face to face and get a local office name and number.

Public sector workers are an easy option to kick, especially after 7 years of pay freezes or below inflation pay rises when others made merry in the boom years.

Sticking vaguely on topic, the NHS on the other hand keeps growing. 1.7m million employed in the NHS alone.  And that more than makes up for job losses elsewhere. But still not enough nurses or doctors. You may not think much of your pension but how much do you think a Doctor's pension costs? Millions literally per doctor. 

As for back office workers it's the same everywhere I'm afraid. Ever tried getting hold of your bank lately? 

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

5 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Sticking vaguely on topic, the NHS on the other hand keeps growing. 1.7m million employed in the NHS alone.  And that more than makes up for job losses elsewhere. But still not enough nurses or doctors. You may not think much of your pension but how much do you think a Doctor's pension costs? Millions literally per doctor. 

As for back office workers it's the same everywhere I'm afraid. Ever tried getting hold of your bank lately? 

I'm not sure how it makes up for job losses elsewhere.  It's a different business entity.  The NHS keeps growing as more people need advanced care, there are more people that need care and more staff are needed to juggle balls regarding patient access.  My friend worked in the mental health care remit of the NHS. It's mind blowing, people wind up in hospital on a weekly basis because outside help isn't there.  That started with the fabulous care in the community initiative or cash saver number 1 as it should probably be called.  Non of it ever saves cash you just spend it elsewhere.  Doctors pensions do cost millions but there capped.  Accordingly, a large percentage of doctors pension is private pension.  They cost a lot but the other option is they up sticks and head off abroad.   

[G STAR RAM]

1 hour ago, sage said:

so he publicly retweeted someone comparing the vaccine rollout to the holocaust

how wrong could i be...not very

On the contrary, you are very wrong.

Your putting words, and not even the correct ones, in the wrong persons mouth.

Infact you'd struggle to be more wrong with what you said.

[Crewton]

3 hours ago, i-Ram said:

No not nice, but it is the price of working in the private sector. Often decent salary packages, but not necessarily security of employment, however well they might be performing.
Whereas Nurses and NHS workers effectively have total ‘job for life’ security, and pretty good pension provision, all protected by union support, but they don’t get paid as much as they might be worth. 
Them are the options. 

True, and an increasing number of Nurses and Doctors have left the NHS and gone private to earn more money or moved abroad for a better work/life balance and/or more pay, or simply given up on a medical career because the rewards aren't worth the stress. 

I'm not sure though how that helps someone needing their services via the NHS. Got any ideas?

[i-Ram]

8 minutes ago, Crewton said:

True, and an increasing number of Nurses and Doctors have left the NHS and gone private to earn more money or moved abroad for a better work/life balance and/or more pay, or simply given up on a medical career because the rewards aren't worth the stress. 

I'm not sure though how that helps someone needing their services via the NHS. Got any ideas?

To be honest I haven’t. I have been pretty fortunate to date with my health, but to be fair to myself I have always tried to eat healthily and exercise. Not ever taken a drug stronger than paracetamol nor have I ever smoked. Alcohol consumption would be on my charge sheet. However, at 61, some point relatively soon I will surely need to rely on the NHS. I have no private health cover. Scares the s*** out of me really, as I have two close family members who work in the service who regularly report back to me the mess the service is in.

[ariotofmyown]

5 hours ago, Archied said:

Nope , they are clearly things the government and or local government should be doing though the train thing is a bit tough now as it’s been privatised and personally I believe that vital infrastructure like railways , energy , water , health should not be in private hands so nicely back on topic the government overreach overreaction with covid in controlling peoples lives was the start/ cause of all the mess we are in and now there’ seems now no way off this destructive road ,,, in my opinion,,,,, of course you will disagree as is your right and who am I to say my view of the last few years is any more valid than yours and there’s not much point going round in circles over it 

ps can we all just note that I am replying to more than one poster so will probably and naturally post higher amounts 

 

So you actually said originally "the overlap and intrusion into every area of our lives by politics /politicians"

Yet you seem to agree with me that the government should be doing more in the lack of suitabke transport I mentioned which basically make it unreasonable for me not to drive to work. You also go on to say how you actually think the government should take loads of essential services back into public ownership, which would surely intrude further into our lives right?

You are bascially just moaning still about Covid, where the UK lockdowned in a similar way to most comparable countries, except we always did it too late, then probably went on too long, as well as putting loads of infected people into Care Homes killing 1000s.

Your only other example of the government intruding into every aspect of our lives is Net Zero. I actually read some of the government paper on this and you agreed it seemed quite reasonable. Your complaint maining seemed to be that you didn't trust them to not takes things further than stated.

So basically 2 arguable and complex things, Covid and Net Zero, has lead you to believe the government are intruding into every area of our lives, yet you still want them to do loads more than they are doing.

Makes no sense. You've done enough posts on this thread by now for something a little more coherent.

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said:

Makes no sense. You've done enough posts on this thread by now for something a little more coherent.

I'm guessing his 5G chip is defective.

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Ah here we go again , the little left wing mafia post the totally obtuse and the masked crusader jumps in with conspiracy nut insults whilst the poster of totally and easily disproved information which is actually liable doubles down when shown what he posted is clearly wrong then when shown again what he posted is wrong disappears rather than post he actually posted misinformation,,all whilst excess death figures continue to be very very concerning,,, hmmmmmmm 

[ariotofmyown]

26 minutes ago, Archied said:

Ah here we go again , the little left wing mafia post the totally obtuse and the masked crusader jumps in with conspiracy nut insults whilst the poster of totally and easily disproved information which is actually liable doubles down when shown what he posted is clearly wrong then when shown again what he posted is wrong disappears rather than post he actually posted misinformation,,all whilst excess death figures continue to be very very concerning,,, hmmmmmmm 

I'm not sure if any of that is aimed at me, but thinking the government is intruding in every area of our lives does come across as a little paranoid perhaps? Especially when you also are saying there is also loads more they should be doing!

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27 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

I'm not sure if any of that is aimed at me, but thinking the government is intruding in every area of our lives does come across as a little paranoid perhaps? Especially when you also are saying there is also loads more they should be doing!

Ok let’s address you and perhaps change the wording to bizarre 

you equate my belief that vital business s like the railways , energy, water , health which are vital countrywide issues and infrastructure should be nationalised with the intrusion into peoples lives like

cease to earn a living NOW 

take on massive debt to survive in business and save your home

work from home

go to work with family and or friends but you will not go round for a cup of tea and a chat in the evening or play a round of golf on the weekend

you will not leave your home without a stipulated reason

you will not sit on a park bench 

you will not go to a gym to stay fit and healthy 

you will sit maskless in a pub but wear a mask if you get up ( next up eat out to help out?)

will stop there but the above just barely scratches the surface and don’t know if the forum has the storage space to list it all

so yes some was reply to your bizzare reply 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Archied

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5 hours ago, Eddie said:

I'm guessing his 5G chip is defective.

Ok masked crusader please show me where I have ever even given the impression covid has anything to do with 5g or chips in vaccines and while we are on it why not wear a proper mask in your forum pic rather than a piece of cloth fashion statement if you are so right on

[ariotofmyown]

53 minutes ago, Archied said:

Ok let’s address you and perhaps change the wording to bizarre 

you equate my belief that vital business s like the railways , energy, water , health which are vital countrywide issues and infrastructure should be nationalised with the intrusion into peoples lives like

cease to earn a living NOW 

take on massive debt to survive in business and save your home

work from home

go to work with family and or friends but you will not go round for a cup of tea and a chat in the evening or play a round of golf on the weekend

you will not leave your home without a stipulated reason

you will not sit on a park bench 

you will not go to a gym to stay fit and healthy 

you will sit maskless in a pub but wear a mask if you get up ( next up eat out to help out?)

will stop there but the above just barely scratches the surface and don’t know if the forum has the storage space to list it all

so yes some was reply to your bizzare reply 

You seem to be confusing past sub-optimal rules during a global pandemic with the government now intruding in every area of our lives.

I agree with you on nationalisation, but surley that is also the government taking more control of our lives? 

To improve the health of the nation, I think the government should play a much larger role in regulating junk food and reducing the amount of alcohol that is shoved in your face (it used to be in the last row of the supermarket, now it's on every aisle, checkout etc). Similar with the steps taken for smoking. You are still free to do it, it's just in your face if you want to avoid it.

I imagine you would probably agree with this, but this would surely also be large scale state intervention into our private lives too?

[Wolfie]

16 hours ago, GboroRam said:

I think the complaints of our health workers (applauded 1984 style in the lockdown) having worked at the front line during the pandemic, surely is relevant? 

That's strange because I was responding to a deeply political post about a UK company and export success story, whinging about the amount of people in the UK who can afford to buy one - even though only about 10% of their sales are in the UK.