The coronabrexit thread. I mean, coronavirus thread

[ariotofmyown]

37 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

If, as thought by some, the mRNA vaccines are causing immune issues, then it will eventually come out. It always does.

I just hope and pray that all the people who are concerned are wrong.

I think we are all a bit sceptical about the news we watch and read everyday. We all know that vested interests have some control over the spin how news is presented.

People need to talk more and share their own experiences with colleagues, family, friends etc. and listen and evaluate real life occurrences.

I have close family and friends who have had issues within a short time of receiving their covid vaccinations. Thyroid and Shingles issues have suddenly erupted from nowhere and caused people to have time off work. These were after their 2nd jab, they did not have any boosters after that. I know 3 people who died not long after vaccinations but they had major health problems before covid so were vulnerable anyway and may well have been struggling regardless.

Colleagues had blood clots soon after vaccination, rushed to hospital, very serious for a few days or weeks in some cases.

I have two close friends, one a Rams ST holder who I sit with and have known for nearly 40 years, who have been diagnosed with incurable cancers, doctors have told them they don't know why the aggressive cancers have sprung up so quickly, both have taken all the vaccinations.

Maybe because I work in a factory with 500 employees and they have tales to tell about their partners and families who work at JCB and a myriad of other large places in the area I hear loads of stuff that makes me think.

I know its all anecdotal and most people I know think I'm wrong for not having had a Covid vaccine, including close family and friends, but I am witnessing many fully vaccinated people struggling with chest infections that they cant shake off, immune system illnesses and the like.

I assume that the vast majority of those vaccinated are sound and healthy with no side effects, I certainly hope so. 

Some concerning points there and perhaps the vaccine might not be quite as safe as we all hoped. The numbers impacted still seem to dwarf the death tolls though.

Unfortunately, having a Tory fool using this holocaust example is totally pathetic. If there are things that need more investigation, fools like this just make that point of view look ridiculous. 

[Archied]

9 hours ago, GboroRam said:

Just pointing out that I don't know anyone who's died suddenly. Those people saying they don't know anyone who died of covid therefore it's overblown, does this work the same way? 

Have you not read my post on the subject , I’ve made it very clearly at least twice in the last few pages that my experience on vaccine harms very much mirror s my experience on covid and in fact asked if my posting that would be treated the same was as I was regards my view on covid??‍♂️

[G STAR RAM]

8 hours ago, 1of4 said:

What we should be asking is what verified medical evidence is available for them to make this claim that countries around the world have deliberately murdered their own citizens.

Isn't this another example of a group of people using unfounded evidence to  push their own agenda 

We should also be asking why people are twisting what was said, just as you have done in the emboldened part of your quote, and therefore deflecting away from the real issue and trying to avoid sensible debate on the matter.

[G STAR RAM]

9 hours ago, GboroRam said:

Just pointing out that I don't know anyone who's died suddenly. Those people saying they don't know anyone who died of covid therefore it's overblown, does this work the same way? 

Quite different situations. 

Everyone knew everything about Covid. Number of cases, daily excess deaths etc because it was peddled by the Government and media 24/7.

I'm hearing very little about excess deaths from the Government and media these days despite them being at levels when they wouldn't shut up about them...

[Archied]

I cut my thumb yesterday, it was the worst injury I visited on myself since I fired the nail gun through my finger which in turn was the worst injury I have visited on myself since I shattered my elbow bone and snapped it from the main bone above ,

these were not intentional self harm incidents I carried out on myself they were the result of rushing and not taking enough care 

I say yet again ( yawn ) that my experience is I personally don’t know anyone who has been seriously harmed or killed by vaccines and I hope it turns out the numbers along the line remain minuscule my gut is they will , that does not mean there are not politicians, drug companies , medical people and media people who really need them to 

[Wolfie]

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

Quite different situations. 

Everyone knew everything about Covid. Number of cases, daily excess deaths etc because it was peddled by the Government and media 24/7.

I'm hearing very little about excess deaths from the Government and media these days despite them being at levels when they wouldn't shut up about them...

There was a lot of news coverage on it early this week.

[Miggins]

23 hours ago, The Last Post said:

As a child 8-9 and 10 I'd climb trees and fall out of em, I had my own bed in the Childrens Hospital ? near the 5 Lamps Pub, Legs and arms broken, When getting older I've had Cataracts in both eyes, Collarbone twice, Cartilage all fixed by the NHS, Developed Sciatica some 2+ weeks ago Got to a call back that afternoon from the Doctor, Last week had a Doctors appointment, In there some 20mins now on strong painkillers, Yesterday I had a blood test as my blood pressure is up and down...now waiting for results, The NHS score 10 out of 10 for me    

Like you and i-ram, I've nothing but praise for the treatment I've received from the NHS, not that I've needed much, but now I am receipt of my state pension I'm guessing I might need more in the years to come and as i-ram says, that is a disturbing thought given that the NHS is in a sorry state that is unlikely to be fixed anytime soon and may well get worse before it improves.

However, my mum broke her wrist this year. I took her down to a very crowded A&E, when COVID was still rife. A hot waiting room, ambulances lined up outside unable to hand over very sick people, a 9 hour wait before mum could be seen and I was told that I couldn't wait with her because there was no room. She is 91, has mild dementia, she had cystitis at the time and needed the toilet more often and was confused and scared. I waited 2 hours and then brought her back home untreated, as I didn't know what else to do. I explained this to the staff but was told they couldn't do anything about it. I took her to the Samuel Johnson hospital in Lichfield instead, as suggested, and they just referred us back to the hospital we had left. 

Just before Christmas my 82 year old uncle fell backwards down the stairs from the top to the bottom. Blood everywhere, fractured skull, bleed on the brain, unconscious for a while. My Aunt phoned for an ambulance immediately. This was 11 o'clock at night. It arrived at 10 the next morning. An 11 hour wait. The paramedics were very upset they couldn't come sooner and like all NHS staff they were brilliant.

I know it's a busy time of year and that there is nothing the front line staff can do about it but I just hope that none of us need hospital  treatment any time soon. COVID/Flu/Pneumonia admissions are adding to the problem and so I'm wearing a mask when I go shopping as I'm hoping we don't have to go anywhere near a hospital whilst the NHS is in such turmoil.

[Crewton]

9 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

If, as thought by some, the mRNA vaccines are causing immune issues, then it will eventually come out. It always does.

I just hope and pray that all the people who are concerned are wrong.

I think we are all a bit sceptical about the news we watch and read everyday. We all know that vested interests have some control over the spin how news is presented.

People need to talk more and share their own experiences with colleagues, family, friends etc. and listen and evaluate real life occurrences.

I have close family and friends who have had issues within a short time of receiving their covid vaccinations. Thyroid and Shingles issues have suddenly erupted from nowhere and caused people to have time off work. These were after their 2nd jab, they did not have any boosters after that. I know 3 people who died not long after vaccinations but they had major health problems before covid so were vulnerable anyway and may well have been struggling regardless.

Colleagues had blood clots soon after vaccination, rushed to hospital, very serious for a few days or weeks in some cases.

I have two close friends, one a Rams ST holder who I sit with and have known for nearly 40 years, who have been diagnosed with incurable cancers, doctors have told them they don't know why the aggressive cancers have sprung up so quickly, both have taken all the vaccinations.

Maybe because I work in a factory with 500 employees and they have tales to tell about their partners and families who work at JCB and a myriad of other large places in the area I hear loads of stuff that makes me think.

I know its all anecdotal and most people I know think I'm wrong for not having had a Covid vaccine, including close family and friends, but I am witnessing many fully vaccinated people struggling with chest infections that they cant shake off, immune system illnesses and the like.

I assume that the vast majority of those vaccinated are sound and healthy with no side effects, I certainly hope so. 

The examples you quote are all tragic, but I can point to a time 10-15 years ago when a series of sudden, unexplained, acute illnesses struck numerous people in my circle of family and friends : 2 deaths from brain tumours, 1 from pancreatic cancer, 1 from leukaemia AND lung cancer, my MiL diagnosed with breast cancer, my SiL with pancreatitis, my BiL with a brain tumour (contained), me with shingles.... I started to wonder when it would stop. Of course, there was nothing to blame it on then - it was just unfortunate coincidences.

It's natural that people look for explanations. It's also natural to wonder, when there are lots of people trying to pin "unexplained" or sudden deaths on vaccines, whether your own experiences can be explained this way. I hope that, before too long, one way or another, the question marks over excess deaths are removed by proper research and investigation. In the meantime, conspiracy theories will fill the void in the minds of many who are genuinely concerned, and that's a pity, but somewhat inevitable. 

[Stive Pesley]

9 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

I have close family and friends who have had issues within a short time of receiving their covid vaccinations. Thyroid and Shingles issues have suddenly erupted from nowhere and caused people to have time off work. These were after their 2nd jab, they did not have any boosters after that. I know 3 people who died not long after vaccinations but they had major health problems before covid so were vulnerable anyway and may well have been struggling regardless.

Colleagues had blood clots soon after vaccination, rushed to hospital, very serious for a few days or weeks in some cases.

I have two close friends, one a Rams ST holder who I sit with and have known for nearly 40 years, who have been diagnosed with incurable cancers, doctors have told them they don't know why the aggressive cancers have sprung up so quickly, both have taken all the vaccinations.

Maybe because I work in a factory with 500 employees and they have tales to tell about their partners and families who work at JCB and a myriad of other large places in the area I hear loads of stuff that makes me think.

I know its all anecdotal and most people I know think I'm wrong for not having had a Covid vaccine, including close family and friends, but I am witnessing many fully vaccinated people struggling with chest infections that they cant shake off, immune system illnesses and the like.

I assume that the vast majority of those vaccinated are sound and healthy with no side effects, I certainly hope so. 

The problem is that 80% of the UK have had at least once covid shot, and 100% of people are susceptible to things going wrong with their bodies anyway, so for someone who is sceptical/concerned about vaccine harms - it's very easy to assign everything you see go wrong with people to the vaccine. I get it, and it doesn't mean you're wrong. Just that there isn't really much of a control group now to compare against, and people dropping dead at random used to happen before covid anyway

Which is why I think there should be more awareness of the public enquiry that I keep linking to. That's where we should be pushing for answers (and I'm with @Archied in that history shows public enquiries to be brushed under the carpet if we let them. Remember Leveson?)

Far better that we keep the light shining on that enquiry than tear each other to bits arguing the unknowable amongst ourselves

 

[Archied]

8 minutes ago, Crewton said:

The examples you quote are all tragic, but I can point to a time 10-15 years ago when a series of sudden, unexplained, acute illnesses struck numerous people in my circle of family and friends : 2 deaths from brain tumours, 1 from pancreatic cancer, 1 from leukaemia AND lung cancer, my MiL diagnosed with breast cancer, my SiL with pancreatitis, my BiL with a brain tumour (contained), me with shingles.... I started to wonder when it would stop. Of course, there was nothing to blame it on then - it was just unfortunate coincidences.

It's natural that people look for explanations. It's also natural to wonder, when there are lots of people trying to pin "unexplained" or sudden deaths on vaccines, whether your own experiences can be explained this way. I hope that, before too long, one way or another, the question marks over excess deaths are removed by proper research and investigation. In the meantime, conspiracy theories will fill the void in the minds of many who are genuinely concerned, and that's a pity, but somewhat inevitable. 

It’s a bit of a mix in terms of leaning towards conspiracy theories always having been there in smallish numbers and the fact that our politicians are showing more and more that it’s best not to trust them implicitly 

[Crewton]

10 minutes ago, Archied said:

It’s a bit of a mix in terms of leaning towards conspiracy theories always having been there in smallish numbers and the fact that our politicians are showing more and more that it’s best not to trust them implicitly 

Yes, I can see that. Being suspicious or cynical isn't unhealthy in itself, but with some folk it's gone way beyond that and their conviction that their favourite conspiracy theory is the absolute truth has become as dangerous as religious fundamentalism. 

[Reggie Greenwood]

There has been the beginnings of a breakout of almost reasonableness and harmony on this thread. I demand it stops now you “woke” lot ?

[QuitYourJibbaJivin]

I fully expect this man to be in a fatal car crash or found tied up after shooting him self in the back of the head in coming weeks. 

[Crewton]

1 hour ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said:

I fully expect this man to be in a fatal car crash or found tied up after shooting him self in the back of the head in coming weeks. 

He's the cardiologist that Andrew Bridgen has been quoting allot (not the one that made the analogy with the Holocaust). Because his Dad died of a cardiac problem, he's gone full tonto on the mRNA vaccines being the cause. Here, he's shoehorned his claims into a piece about today's unrelated report on Statins. Despite what he claims, no distinct link has yet been found between excess deaths and vaccine harm. Sadly, I think he's got allot in common with Prince Harry. If he actually produces reliable peer-tested clinical evidence supporting his claims, I'll revise my opinion, but at the moment, his following AFAICS consists of discredited clinicians, non-clinicians, grifters and the usual conspiracy cranks.

[Stive Pesley]

1 hour ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said:

I fully expect this man to be in a fatal car crash or found tied up after shooting him self in the back of the head in coming weeks. 

I certainly don't expect he'll get invited back onto BBC News ?

[Archied]

3 hours ago, Crewton said:

He's the cardiologist that Andrew Bridgen has been quoting allot (not the one that made the analogy with the Holocaust). Because his Dad died of a cardiac problem, he's gone full tonto on the mRNA vaccines being the cause. Here, he's shoehorned his claims into a piece about today's unrelated report on Statins. Despite what he claims, no distinct link has yet been found between excess deaths and vaccine harm. Sadly, I think he's got allot in common with Prince Harry. If he actually produces reliable peer-tested clinical evidence supporting his claims, I'll revise my opinion, but at the moment, his following AFAICS consists of discredited clinicians, non-clinicians, grifters and the usual conspiracy cranks.

Highly qualified , was part of the original medical people promoting the vaccine in campaign, now calling for suspension for further investigation into whether it’s contributing to heart problems / deaths , seems quite a sensible approach given that it’s accepted covid is no longer the danger it was said to be , 

does it not worry you that someone with his qualifications and standing ( was used to promote vaccines because of said standing and qualifications) finds the only way to get those concerns heard in the mainstream is to as you correctly state , shoehorn them in unexpectedly, should the mainstream not be asking these questions , not going full tonto but at least asking these questions ,

jeez it will be very good if we do ever reach a point where people come out of the trenches find proper answers one way or the other ,,, he’s not the enemy , just a heart specialist with some concerns ??‍♂️

Edited January 13, 2023 by Archied

[Crewton]

10 minutes ago, Archied said:

Highly qualified , was part of the original medical people promoting the vaccine in campaign, now calling for suspension for further investigation into whether it’s contributing to heart problems / deaths , seems quite a sensible approach given that it’s accepted covid is no longer the danger it was said to be , 

does it not worry you that someone with his qualifications and standing ( was used to promote vaccines because of said standing and qualifications) finds the only way to get those concerns heard in the mainstream is to as you correctly state , shoehorn them in unexpectedly, should the mainstream not be asking these questions , not going full tonto but at least asking these questions ,

jeez it will be very good if we do ever reach a point where people come out of the trenches find proper answers one way or the other ,,, he’s not the enemy , just a heart specialist with some concerns ??‍♂️

He's calling for the vaccines to be suspended on the basis of little evidence. He's using hyperbole (millions of people dying) to push his claims. He's lost the plot. 

[Ram-Alf]

4 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

I certainly don't expect he'll get invited back onto BBC News ?

Oh he will, They'll put him up in a penthouse suit with a free mini bar and leave the windows open ?

[Archied]

1 hour ago, Crewton said:

He's calling for the vaccines to be suspended on the basis of little evidence. He's using hyperbole (millions of people dying) to push his claims. He's lost the plot. 

Ok ?

[PistoldPete]

11 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Quite different situations. 

Everyone knew everything about Covid. Number of cases, daily excess deaths etc because it was peddled by the Government and media 24/7.

I'm hearing very little about excess deaths from the Government and media these days despite them being at levels when they wouldn't shut up about them...

There’s quite a lot in the media about excess deaths . Headline news a couple of days ago.