Rab a dab doo Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I sorry to say I think you see by Mr Cocu body language that barring some sort of divine miracle he has resigned himself to the envietable. It not a case of if he goes its just a case of when. Its sad really because at one point we seem to have the seeds of something there young players coming taking their chance and blossoming. we looked like we were developing a style of play we were comfortable with and was at times quite effective. This season it's disappeared as illusion. What's happened ? Maybe even Mr Ccu doesn't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RadioactiveWaste Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: Much as has been speculated, Mel doesn't want to pick up that particular cost. It's all on the new owners and what they want to do. I don't buy the "create more instability line" I'm pretty sure that's just a line and the real issue is paying up contracts. It's a real shame it's not worked out, but I think most are in agreement it's really not worked out. I've said before, I liked him, I liked the project, I like the young players, but we're playing rubbish and losing all the time. We can't do what Cocu envisioned, or not to a level effective in the championship and it's maddening because we've a squad full of players who can play championship football. Still, it's got to be done, and even though it's not worked, he has handled all sorts of difficulty with grace and dignity and in recognition of that I genuinely wish him and his team all the best for the future. If he goes back to Holland and coaches a successful team, I'll be happy to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: I can understand Mel's position. He will have made personal assurances as a man, not just in his position as owner. He will desperately want Cocu to be a success to show his good judgement in appointing him. Cocu has acted with dignity throughout his tenure. The players have underperformed regardless of tactics and selection. There haven't been too many times when the fans on here have massively disagreed with his selections pre-match. He has blooded young stars and did good business with Byrne and Buchanan replacing Bogle and Lowe. So yes, I can see why he would want to declare his reluctance. But if he hands over the reins it will be out of his hands. Those fuelled by bile and vitriol because their weekends have been ruined should remember there are human beings involved and we should show the same dignity whether he stays or goes. Come January, Cocu might have a chance to bring in more true targets and offload a few who have gone stale. Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Anag Ram said: Come January, Cocu might have a chance to bring in more true targets and offload a few who have gone stale. Or not. Colin will be looking for a new club then, Millwall? If Cocu is still here in January then our sheik's a Fawaz relative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 If FFP rules mean that we start afresh with new owners then we'd be better off if Mel is the one who pays Cocu off or at least make it look that way from an accounting perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 After the international break, we have 12 games in 42 days and then it’s the January transfer window. I can respect that sacking a manager is not an inexpensive process but we are taking a big risk with the club’s future by holding fire. The longer we leave Cocu in the post, the greater the risk that the rot will merely set in deeper and deeper, especially with two tough away games immediately after the break. If we don’t change things now, then we are leaving any potential incoming manager with a hell of a task on his hands not only walking into the club during the busiest time of the season but having to address a slump that stretches back to July. He would have very little time between games to work with the players and address issues, and very little time to formulate plans for January and beyond. If the new owners and the new manager aren’t in by the weekend, I fear we are in for a rough ride this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Jourdan said: After the international break, we have 12 games in 42 days and then it’s the January transfer window. I can respect that sacking a manager is not an inexpensive process but we are taking a big risk with the club’s future by holding fire. The longer we leave Cocu in the post, the greater the risk that the rot will merely set in deeper and deeper, especially with two tough away games immediately after the break. If we don’t change things now, then we are leaving any potential incoming manager with a hell of a task on his hands not only walking into the club during the busiest time of the season but having to address a slump that stretches back to July. He would have very little time between games to work with the players and address issues, and very little time to formulate plans for January and beyond. If the new owners and the new manager aren’t in by the weekend, I fear we are in for a rough ride this winter. I'm really not sure what a new manager will do, faced with the current crop of players. We don't have a dominant CH pairing or leaders on the pitch. Byrne looked better in a five than he does in a four but if we go back to that, we have to leave out players more likely to score goals. Rooney seems undroppable and will be attractive to the new owners. We don't have a CF other than the untried ones in the U21s. Lawrence and Waghorn are in a slump. None of this is easily addressed and the new manager might well find him/herself in a similar position to Cocu until January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab a dab doo Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Maybe Mr Cocu is formulating a 'new' cunning plan to rescue us while he 'isolates'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Rab a dab doo said: Maybe Mr Cocu is formulating a 'new' cunning plan to rescue us while he 'isolates'. JUST RESIGN !!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 54 minutes ago, Anag Ram said: I can understand Mel's position. He will have made personal assurances as a man, not just in his position as owner. He will desperately want Cocu to be a success to show his good judgement in appointing him. Cocu has acted with dignity throughout his tenure. The players have underperformed regardless of tactics and selection. There haven't been too many times when the fans on here have massively disagreed with his selections pre-match. He has blooded young stars and did good business with Byrne and Buchanan replacing Bogle and Lowe. So yes, I can see why he would want to declare his reluctance. But if he hands over the reins it will be out of his hands. Those fuelled by bile and vitriol because their weekends have been ruined should remember there are human beings involved and we should show the same dignity whether he stays or goes. Come January, Cocu might have a chance to bring in more true targets and offload a few who have gone stale. Or not. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Rab a dab doo said: I sorry to say I think you see by Mr Cocu body language that barring some sort of divine miracle he has resigned himself to the envietable. It not a case of if he goes its just a case of when. Its sad really because at one point we seem to have the seeds of something there young players coming taking their chance and blossoming. we looked like we were developing a style of play we were comfortable with and was at times quite effective. This season it's disappeared as illusion. What's happened ? Maybe even Mr Ccu doesn't know When was this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 If that Mirror article is true - and nothing in it looks ridiculous, then leaving Cocu in charge is the most disruptive thing possible. If he knows he's going, the players know he's going and the coaches know he's going then he can't expect any respect or to exert any influence on the players. It's a completely untenable position. If the takeover is going through in the next day or so, Mel can afford to do nothing. If there's any possibility that it won't be sorted until the next game, Cocu has to be put on gardening leave. Then it's a toss up between Bowyer and Wassall. I'd go for Bowyer as he has some experience of this situation. He also has an outside chance at getting the job permanently if the takeover falls through. He'll also be hoping to showcase his management skills in the hope of getting another job if not. Consequently, Bowyer will be the most credible and driven option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: JUST RESIGN !!!!!!!!! Would you give away over £1m? I dont think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab a dab doo Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Last season when we were on verge of reaching the top 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 https://www.thesackrace.com/news/9th-november-2020/is-the-future-bleak-for-phillip-cocu-at-Derby-county-or-is-there-hope-on-the-horizon Agree with a lot in this. (apart from when he says Waghorn is right footed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Just now, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Would you give away over £1m? I dont think so. I understand Melvyn's situation but surely it will cost the club so much more to go down to league 1. I know he is a big Derby fan so just hope he does the right thing for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jourdan said: I can respect that sacking a manager is not an inexpensive process but we are taking a big risk with the club’s future by holding fire. I'm very disappointed that he hasn't been sacked yet. How on earth is he still in the job. His position is untenable. Now is the perfect time to do it. Get someone in this week and we go again starting with the Bristol city game. The longer he stays the worse it will be, he won't turn this around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Poor journalism from the mirror there, tells us absolutely nothing we don’t already know. About all we can do now is hope, by some miracle, this takeover goes through and is a success, so we can afford to sack Cocu and bring in someone decent. Vital 2 weeks for us now off the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, DCFClks said: https://www.thesackrace.com/news/9th-november-2020/is-the-future-bleak-for-phillip-cocu-at-Derby-county-or-is-there-hope-on-the-horizon Agree with a lot in this. (apart from when he says Waghorn is right footed) The video clip in that article make me sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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