David Graham Brown Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: you know what i mean. Most games i have seen this season when the games going badly he just stands there hands in pockets. It's his job to help motivate the players. Encourage them, jee them up, anything. not just have a quite moan with the official and look at shay givens iPad. A commentator said on Sky whilst watching the Manchester City v Liverpool game, how animated their two coaches are, gesticulating and cajoling the players, for most of the ninety minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab a dab doo Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Ever thought he maybe just shy, reserved and doesn't like upsetting anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 It's just dawned on me how much of risk hiring Cocu was. The first time in our history we've appointed someone with no prior experience in English football. Someone who just had a terrible season at Fenerbahce, and we give him a 4 year contract!. I can't think of any managers at any level who get 4 year contracts these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black ('n' White) Sheep Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: this is another issue aswell, he shows very little emotion Agreed. What do most successful managers have in common? Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Clough snr. and (as much as I hate to say it) Bielsa at Leeds... they're all managers that are passionate about what they do and have no problems showing it. If Cocu is the same on the training ground as he is in interviews then he may know everything about the game but I'll be surprised if his persona does anything to inspire his team. I played a bit when I was younger, and (from my point of view anyway) I'd be more likely to bust myself for someone who was constantly shouting encouragement from the touchline (almost as if they were kicking the ball with you) than for someone who was quiet and reserved... just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyram59 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 If this time next week Cocu is still employed by Derby and will be when we play Bristol City then I've just become disillusioned with the way Mel Morris as made us a laughing stock, any other club would have sacked Cocu 3/4 matches ago, yet day in day out this is dragging on to much and is a negative vibe to our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 50 minutes ago, Ramfan1958 said: one of the worst managers we've ever had ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 35 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: you know what i mean. Most games i have seen this season when the games going badly he just stands there hands in pockets. It's his job to help motivate the players. Encourage them, jee them up, anything. not just have a quite moan with the official and look at shay givens iPad. It all comes down to results. If we were winning every game everyone would be saying how dignified and calm he is. If he was screaming up and down the touch line now everyone would say "lost it" etc. Not every successful manager is animated on the touchline, look at Brendan Rogers. I do think he's struggling to understand the mentality of English football and how nasty it can be at times. Lampard was very good at tapping into this, manipulating the media direction and creating an "us vs them" mentality really motivated the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, BondJovi said: I agree entirely. Most of the names suggested you may aswell shut the academy doors. I have seen us miss plenty of chances I would expect to hit the target at least with. Even the legend of Rooney has done so. Why we don't think they have let us down also I don't know. I can guess who is waiting to disagree and it is tiresome. Part of me quite hopes Cocu stays just to see how ridiculous the reactions get. You fancy buying some magic beans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I see the not ranting and waving his arms like a maniac argument has reared its ugly head again. Oh well. Best get on the phone to Wenger and tell him to not bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, BondJovi said: I see the not ranting and waving his arms like a maniac argument has reared its ugly head again. Oh well. Best get on the phone to Wenger and tell him to not bother. Sir Alex hardly bounced around either. Spent all his time looking at his watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 What I still don't get is last season. The first half of the season was tough to watch, almost like this season but better at home. Then Rooney came in, one or two youngsters emerged and from games 25 to 40 we were top of the league on current form and scoring goals for fun. 16 games, 33 points , 34 goals scored. Top of the league on form - not top 6 or top 10 - for a third of the season. Then it all turned to poo and has stayed that way What the hell happened ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 minute ago, SamUltraRam said: What I still don't get is last season. The first half of the season was tough to watch, almost like this season but better at home. Then Rooney came in, one or two youngsters emerged and from games 25 to 40 we were top of the league on current form and scoring goals for fun. 16 games, 33 points , 34 goals scored. Top of the league on form - not top 6 or top 10 - for a third of the season. Then it all turned to poo and has stayed that way What the hell happened ? Injuries to creative players. Loss of Chris Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramfan1958 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, rynny said: Check the results they don't lie . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ramfan1958 said: Check the results they don't lie . That’s because the players have let Cocu down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ramfan1958 said: Check the results they don't lie . In the last 20 years we have had more mangers that were worse than Cocu than we've had that are better than Cocu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, IslandExile said: Injuries to creative players. Loss of Chris Martin. We’ve had creative players in the team for the last 6 games, we’ve created bugger all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jed27 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Rab a dab doo said: Ever thought he maybe just shy, reserved and doesn't like upsetting anyone Well he’s upsetting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Curtains said: That’s because the players have let Cocu down. Define a manager’s job in your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, IslandExile said: Sir Alex hardly bounced around either. Spent all his time looking at his watch. Shocked ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: Define a manager’s job in your mind. To get the best out of the squad. You can’t if you have your hands tied behind your back. Have we got any colluding players at Derby the ones that say if I’m not playing Ill throw my toys out the pram Or are they all angels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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