sonofmidnight Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, atherstoneram said: And you think we wouldn't Not an admirable trait floating though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 It's been clear with the run in that we are not ready for promotion and still need to take that extra step. We need a better GK, some wingers and i'd still suggest some work in defence is necessary. I think we need to keep faith with Cocu and given everything that has happened this year he's still done a good job. It's been an absolute horror season and hopefully we will recruit wisely, get rid of players who cannot cut it anymore and work towards finally getting promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Aralliss Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, Theres’s Only Wan Chope said: Good striker though. Oh get a room ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Archied said: Go on then tell us? Do you really want an answer. I would get pilloried if I told you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofmidnight Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Dappled Ram said: Not an admirable trait floating though! Gloating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superzak Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Leeds Ram said: It's been clear with the run in that we are not ready for promotion and still need to take that extra step. We need a better GK, some wingers and i'd still suggest some work in defence is necessary. I think we need to keep faith with Cocu and given everything that has happened this year he's still done a good job. It's been an absolute horror season and hopefully we will recruit wisely, get rid of players who cannot cut it anymore and work towards finally getting promotion. Too many cooks i think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard246 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Cocu system is Wrong I think we need to go 4 -1 -4 -1 with quick centre forward and 2 quick wingers and knight and Sibley as the midfield runners . something like this New Wisdom T Wierk New New Bielik New Sibley Knight New New 6 new players or loans sell or release Martin ,Waghorn ,Lowe ,Davies Lawrence ,Bogle ,Shinnie loan out Whittaker and Buchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Andicis said: I only used Bielsa as an example because he was the first of the top of my head, but a lot of managers could squeeze more out of this Derby team. Cocu isn't to blame for players making mistakes, but we approach games against big teams too negatively every time. We're so worried about them we never play. We sit off. We don't press, we don't harass the opposition, but they do all that to us. But how many of these hypothetical coaches would integrate 5-6 youngsters into the team. That is now the reality and it it as such because we have hired manager after manger who focussed on the short term. Rowett would have probably got us in the play offs this season but he’d have set the club back a couple years by doing it, so might Lampard but we’d have spent the year developing Chelsea’s youngsters and not our own. The young players are going to make mistakes, it’s not long ago the style was excellent and we were scoring loads. The last few games have been turgid but think of Milwall (A), Swansea (A), Blackburn (H), Sheff Weds (A). Genuinely excellent performances, but with a team as young as ours comes inconsistency and not always doing the right things. I believe Cocu currently has them on a fairly tight leash, in many games I don’t think the trust has been there to take the leash of and at times with good reason. But as the team learns and develops they will get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just now, Richard246 said: Cocu system is Wrong I think we need to go 4 -1 -4 -1 with quick centre forward and 2 quick wingers and knight and Sibley as the midfield runners . something like this New Wisdom T Wierk New New Bielik New Sibley Knight New New 6 new players or loans sell or release Martin ,Waghorn ,Lowe ,Davies Lawrence ,Bogle ,Shinnie loan out Whittaker and Buchanan Where’s Rooney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronRam 140.6 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 We.Are.Ipswich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just now, nottingram said: The young players are going to make mistakes, it’s not long ago the style was excellent and we were scoring loads. The last few games have been turgid but think of Milwall (A), Swansea (A), Blackburn (H), Sheff Weds (A). Genuinely excellent performances, but with a team as young as ours comes inconsistency and not always doing the right things. I believe Cocu currently has them on a fairly tight leash, in many games I don’t think the trust has been there to take the leash of and at times with good reason. But as the team learns and develops they will get there. I hope you're right cos I'm not convinced about Bird & Rooney at CDM. We looked much livelier when Shinny came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: The voice of reason For years I've read on here how we need a transition season. Hell we even had a sizable number who thought Pearson relegating us would be a necessary evil to help us rebuild, and now we've had one that's only lost steam in the last few weeks, it's a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I think we have building blocks to have succesful season next season but what is clear we need demanding keeper and I still feel we need a play maker but I think max bird will improve as goes on. But some of younger players need go out on loan and get first team foorball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Richard246 said: Cocu system is Wrong I think we need to go 4 -1 -4 -1 with quick centre forward and 2 quick wingers and knight and Sibley as the midfield runners . something like this New Wisdom T Wierk New New Bielik New Sibley Knight New New 6 new players or loans sell or release Martin ,Waghorn ,Lowe ,Davies Lawrence ,Bogle ,Shinnie loan out Whittaker and Buchanan Good luck with finding six new players of decent quality that we can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, nottingram said: But how many of these hypothetical coaches would integrate 5-6 youngsters into the team. That is now the reality and it it as such because we have hired manager after manger who focussed on the short term. Rowett would have probably got us in the play offs this season but he’d have set the club back a couple years by doing it, so might Lampard but we’d have spent the year developing Chelsea’s youngsters and not our own. The young players are going to make mistakes, it’s not long ago the style was excellent and we were scoring loads. The last few games have been turgid but think of Milwall (A), Swansea (A), Blackburn (H), Sheff Weds (A). Genuinely excellent performances, but with a team as young as ours comes inconsistency and not always doing the right things. I believe Cocu currently has them on a fairly tight leash, in many games I don’t think the trust has been there to take the leash of and at times with good reason. But as the team learns and develops they will get there. Isn't football supposed to be entertaining? We might have been developing Mount and Tomori for Chelsea but they were a pleasure to watch and showed up in the big games. We're not inconsistent, we're rubbish against good teams. Have been all season long. I just don't know when we should start expecting more and not just be ok with losing 4 on the bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard246 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: Where’s Rooney? You would have to pick one from Bielik ,Rooney or Bird Need to be more ruthless if you are serious about promotion this squad is no where need good enough so at least 5 to 6 changed then you could see a real team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsCityRam Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 29 minutes ago, Andicis said: I'll get stick for this, but I don't care much. This Derby team is just as boring as Rowett's and Clement's. We're slow, ponderous, pedestrian and we can't defend. Cocu's tactics are bad. We can't score goals yet we keep playing 2 holding midfielders. I don't think we'll be anywhere near the promotion mix next season. We're so far away from good enough. Just look at our record vs the top 6. No stick from me. Today was dull, very little energy out there & no idea why Davies was selected. I don't think for a second that is the intention though & the side will see rapid improvement in the next few months. Those changes won't need to be significant to make us a force in this division, we'd look a totally different unit with 2 quick wide men for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard246 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Good luck with finding six new players of decent quality that we can afford You can find them but you have to generate sales first. if you want to succeed you have to be ruthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Richard246 said: You would have to pick one from Bielik ,Rooney or Bird Need to be more ruthless if you are serious about promotion this squad is no where need good enough so at least 5 to 6 changed then you could see a real team If we need 5 or 6 personnel changes to compete it's a bit unfair to say the tactics are at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Just a quick shout out to how boring football without crowds is - I have fairly hated watching it with so many teams not really trying and so many ‘false results’ happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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