ketteringram Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, Sith Happens said: I dont know how much difference it is to Tier 4? Schools of course but things like work from home is possible message remains the same. Not much difference for some I guess. If manufacturing stays open, my life isn't much different whether it's tier zero, 1,2,3,4 or lockdown ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, ketteringram said: Not much difference for some I guess. If manufacturing stays open, my life isn't much different whether it's tier zero, 1,2,3,4 or lockdown ? I think it was allowed to open last time, just most shut down in order to get themselves Covid compliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sith Happens said: Yeah i guess outdoor activities and stuff. I guess also depends if the definition of 'essential' changes with Tier 4 to Lockdown. Im shielding so from a personal perspective it wont change, and my wife cant work from home fully, though she may be able to do some. Boris is claiming that we have the resources to meet the demand for vaccines, however we don't have the availability at the moment. Noticed he caveats with needs to be QA etc... As per my earlier post, it's the only way I can see us being able to get out of lock downs, the further problem has to be though if the large parts of the world, especially the EU, is there any end in sight ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Scotland gone into lockdown, legal requirement to stay at home, sure we will follow soon. Sad times.... Boris is on TV at 8pm tonight. To be honest, as others have said. I'm not sure how much the new rules in Scotland vary from England's tier 4 (apart from schools). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Boris is on TV at 8pm tonight. To be honest, as others have said. I'm not sure how much the new rules in Scotland vary from England's tier 4 (apart from schools). It's not about the virus ... It's all about their ... FREEEEEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMM !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bubbles Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Yeah I can’t deal with this poo. duck the government. Their fault we’re in this ducking terrible situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bubbles said: Yeah I can’t deal with this poo. duck the government. Their fault we’re in this ducking terrible situation. Not really is it.. Carry on with the dramatics though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofmidnight Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, maxjam said: And once again the government have reacted too slowly. I prefer to take the advice of my extended family which includes 2 GPs, a practice nurse and a pharmacist who predicted all this at the end of February 2020. I don't trust the government at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Not really is it.. Carry on with the dramatics though.. I think it's fair to say they could have dealt with it better. Not all their fault though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, Bubbles said: Yeah I can’t deal with this poo. duck the government. Their fault we’re in this ducking terrible situation. I defy anyone to list 3 mistakes they've made. How could you stop at 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbles Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 29 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Not really is it.. Carry on with the dramatics though.. well yeah it kind of is. they’ve dealt with it fantastically haven’t they!??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Bubbles said: well yeah it kind of is. they’ve dealt with it fantastically haven’t they!??? What could the Government have done that would have led us away from a situation where lockdowns were not required in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I think there are a lot of people who don't disagree with lockdowns but don't understand why we consistently seem to take action too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What could the Government have done that would have led us away from a situation where lockdowns were not required in your opinion? I guess at the end of the first full lockdown they could have had an full working test and track/trace service set up (which for £10bn you think they might have managed). That was the point where the virus was most under control. The point where we'd all sacrificed 3 months of our lives in good faith that it would be worth it. The point where they could have done something effective Instead they sent us all down the pub for cheap food, and bodged everything so the second wave was only a matter of time Their whole strategy throughout has been to wait until things start to get out of control and then act too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Sinistra ram rousse said: And once again the government have reacted too slowly. I prefer to take the advice of my extended family which includes 2 GPs, a practice nurse and a pharmacist who predicted all this at the end of February 2020. I don't trust the government at all. I think from what you've told us, the last thing we should be doing is listening to your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Stive Pesley said: I guess at the end of the first full lockdown they could have had an full working test and track/trace service set up (which for £10bn you think they might have managed). That was the point where the virus was most under control. The point where we'd all sacrificed 3 months of our lives in good faith that it would be worth it. The point where they could have done something effective Instead they sent us all down the pub for cheap food, and bodged everything so the second wave was only a matter of time Their whole strategy throughout has been to wait until things start to get out of control and then act too late Didn't work put in Germany either. Liberal democracy is potentially a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Stive Pesley said: I guess at the end of the first full lockdown they could have had an full working test and track/trace service set up (which for £10bn you think they might have managed). That was the point where the virus was most under control. The point where we'd all sacrificed 3 months of our lives in good faith that it would be worth it. The point where they could have done something effective Instead they sent us all down the pub for cheap food, and bodged everything so the second wave was only a matter of time Their whole strategy throughout has been to wait until things start to get out of control and then act too late Yeah fair comment the Track and Trace was and still is a complete shambles, dont even hear it mentioned anymore. Hope someone is held accountable for it in rhe aftermath. Would have to look back, but I am pretty sure that there were plenty on here lauding Germany and there track and trace early on in the pandemic but they find themselves in a similar situation to ourselves now. Is Track and Trace all its made out to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Sith Happens said: I think it was allowed to open last time, just most shut down in order to get themselves Covid compliant Where I work, we were advised not to close down by HMRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 20 minutes ago, Norman said: Didn't work put in Germany either. Liberal democracy is potentially a problem. I think that's a good call, and seen it mentioned elsewhere. The countries with the worst outcomes are the biggest liberal democracies I suspect there are a lot of reasons why that is the case - almost a perfect storm if you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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