Angry Ram Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Surprised? Stopped reading when I saw @NYTimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: I am not so sure.. Do they really want to go toe to toe with the US? Can they? Certainly not on any scale. There will be a lot of noise for sure but..... They will have to do something but I don't I would expect that to be pretty small.. They will be quite happy internally to have got everyone back on the same page hating the west. They were becoming pretty fractured with the sanctions and the country was becoming split. Things will get interesting if they shutdown the Strait of Hormuz - as 20% of the world's oil currently goes via that route If that happens ,I'm just glad I don't own a car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: I am not so sure.. Do they really want to go toe to toe with the US? Can they? Certainly not on any scale. There will be a lot of noise for sure but..... They will have to do something but I don't I would expect that to be pretty small.. They will be quite happy internally to have got everyone back on the same page hating the west. They were becoming pretty fractured with the sanctions and the country was becoming split. That's a good point. Internally this plays into the regime's hands and solidifies support for the hardliners. I'm sure the Iranians are aware they can't go toe to toe with the US in any military conflict. But I wouldn't like to be in the US embassy anywhere in the Middle East right now. Iran has significant reach all over the region. Trump tweeting about hitting sites in Iran that are culturally significant was astonishing. Not least because that would be an obvious war crime but also the Iranians can legitimately interpret that as a threat against sites of religious significance. Not a masterstroke in terms of de-escalating a crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, Highgate said: That's a good point. Internally this plays into the regime's hands and solidifies support for the hardliners. I'm sure the Iranians are aware they can't go toe to toe with the US in any military conflict. But I wouldn't like to be in the US embassy anywhere in the Middle East right now. Iran has significant reach all over the region. Trump tweeting about hitting sites in Iran that are culturally significant was astonishing. Not least because that would be an obvious war crime but also the Iranians can legitimately interpret that as a threat against sites of religious significance. Not a masterstroke in terms of de-escalating a crisis. Yeah, not normally surprised by Trumps tweets but targeting cultural targets was a new low. We will never know the inside story but all the Trump rhetoric previously has been about pulling out of the region, now he is going back in. Hopefully all this is a my dick is bigger than your dick poo show. I know this won't go down well on this board but I don't believe his first instinct is for war. In fact Obama sanctioned more action in the region than Trump. He would not have done this on a whim. They know something. I heard a rumour that there was action planned by Iran against a US Embassy last weekend, that's why he gave the go ahead. That was from as source in the Mid East not the Pentagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 37 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Things will get interesting if they shutdown the Strait of Hormuz - as 20% of the world's oil currently goes via that route If that happens ,I'm just glad I don't own a car! Couple of those big feck off carriers plotted up should deter those little ribs. Why am I not surprised you don't own a car. Tree hugger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said: Things will get interesting if they shutdown the Strait of Hormuz - as 20% of the world's oil currently goes via that route If that happens ,I'm just glad I don't own a car! That's sounds a bit "I'm alright, Jack" to me. Half-Socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Yeah, not normally surprised by Trumps tweets but targeting cultural targets was a new low. We will never know the inside story but all the Trump rhetoric previously has been about pulling out of the region, now he is going back in. Hopefully all this is a my dick is bigger than your dick poo show. I know this won't go down well on this board but I don't believe his first instinct is for war. In fact Obama sanctioned more action in the region than Trump. He would not have done this on a whim. They know something. I heard a rumour that there was action planned by Iran against a US Embassy last weekend, that's why he gave the go ahead. That was from as source in the Mid East not the Pentagon. That's an unpleasant image. I agree that Trump is not a warmonger in the sense he doesn't see the direct financial reward in it, so he doesn't really see a point. And Obama did sanction a lot of very dangerous (and in my view counter-productive) drones strikes on Pakistan. A country with an growing internal Islamic fundamentalist problem and a country that already has nuclear weapons. A dangerous mix, and I would have thought it unwise to do anything that could serve as a recruitment tool for the extremists. But Obama was of a different mindset. Without being idealogically in favour of further military conflict, Trump could, given his volatile and uncomprehending nature, cause a war nevertheless. Let's hope the Iranian reaction is small enough that the US can brush it off without launching reprisals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The statement that he has 52 sites lined up - one for each of the 52 hostages from 1979/80 is extremely disturbing. Smacks of the Compiegne Wagon railway carriage thing the Germans pulled on the French in 1940. Someone with a deeper understanding of psychology would be able to provide deeper insight though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Someone with a deeper understanding of psychology would be able to provide deeper insight though. Yep Hitler and Trump were/are both nutters .Happy to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, King Kevin said: Yep Hitler and Trump were/are both nutters .Happy to help. Agree, no point in discussing Trump in any sort of rational terms. The guy is clearly senile and/or mentally ill. They need to get him out of office before he does something even worse. Like Nukes a country because they made a silly cartoon of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Angry Ram said: That was from as source in the Mid East not the Pentagon. Oooh......Cambridge? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said: Agree, no point in discussing Trump in any sort of rational terms. The guy is clearly senile and/or mentally ill. They need to get him out of office before he does something even worse. Like Nukes a country because they made a silly cartoon of him. It's early January but we already have a strong contender for most vulgar statement of the year. This coming from a President of a country that invaded Iraq on false pretenses, bombed it into oblivion, killing vast numbers of civilians, destroyed it's infrastructure, used depleted uranium shells leaving radiation contamination and unleased ISIS on them. "We've spent a lot of money in Iraq," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One as he returned to Washington after spending the holidays at his Florida resort, Mar-a-Lago. "We have a very extraordinarily expensive air base that’s there. It cost billions of dollars to build. ... We’re not leaving unless they pay us back for it." As to Iran's response to the killing of their top general, a request to the Syrian government to allow Iran directly or through proxies to attack US military bases in Syria hints at what is to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriggRam Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, ramit said: This coming from a President of a country that invaded Iraq on false pretenses, bombed it into oblivion, killing vast numbers of civilians, destroyed it's infrastructure, used depleted uranium shells leaving radiation contamination and unleased ISIS on them. I’m pretty certain Trump hasn’t ever invaded Iraq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Barnetbyram said: I’m pretty certain Trump hasn’t ever invaded Iraq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The US military is the most dangerous in the world. Iran gave them provocation, of which, they didn't need much. Regardless of your opinion on Trump, he clearly has his persuasions and ideals. I personally don't think he would lose a wink of sleep putting the entirety of Iran in ruins, IF he had a reason. Give him an inch and he'll take the mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriggRam Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 hours ago, ramit said: What’s this for, at first glance upon your post it looks to me your implying Trump was president when America invaded Iraq, I see now how it’s meant to read......can I just ask when I posted that Trump had killed an Iranian general that was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of British and Americans you responded with a laughing emoji, would you mind please telling me how this is funny to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Here is some good, balanced and knowledgeable opinion about Trump, Soleimani and possible repercussions. 10 minute video but worth listening from start to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 17 hours ago, Van Wolfie said: That's sounds a bit "I'm alright, Jack" to me. Half-Socialist. Au contraire! Anyone who needs to borrow my bike is more than welcome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 19 hours ago, King Kevin said: Yep Hitler and Trump were/are both nutters .Happy to help. I just hope she's impressed .. whoever she is. Probably what this all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Barnetbyram said: What’s this for, at first glance upon your post it looks to me your implying Trump was president when America invaded Iraq, I see now how it’s meant to read......can I just ask when I posted that Trump had killed an Iranian general that was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of British and Americans you responded with a laughing emoji, would you mind please telling me how this is funny to you Which hundreds of British and Americans are you referring to? i laughed because you quoted a pentagon lie. General Soleimani was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of ISIS members in Iraq and Syria. Without the assistance of his forces, Syria would likely have been overrun by pentagon supported terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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