Seth's left foot Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 What a sad end to his Derby career. such a great servant but will be remembered outside of Derby for two obvious events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Is there grounds to sack him for misconduct and free up his (very high) wages? I feel bad saying this but his injury was his own fault. He definitely put himself in a situation that could severely impact his career and life. This isn't an on pitch injury, he sustained this being reckless and choosing to get in the car of a driver over the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Is there grounds to sack him for misconduct and free up his (very high) wages? I feel bad saying this but his injury was his own fault. No, employers have to act reasonably and according to employment law. Unless, he has a record of poor behaviour then he has to be given an opportunity to improve! I do think there has been a lot of hypocrisy from some posters. I doubt there are very few angels here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: He definitely put himself in a situation that could severely impact his career and life. This isn't an on pitch injury, he sustained this being reckless and choosing to get in the car of a driver over the limit. Only defence is if he was passed out drunk really and was just chucked in, we should wait for the rest of the facts really before we start ending contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 If the club arrange a testimonial for Richard Keogh, will you be there? Too previous (hopefully!) but could make for an interesting poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennington Ram Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I wonder if we still do the thing where we get insurance for our players on serious injuries like this? Could make a world of difference if we have. Presume Keogh's on a bigger wage, so over a year of that covered could pave the way to actually replace him long term... Although I suppose it could be invalid if the injury is obtained in er, the wrong ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinder Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I know he’s made a serious error of judgement and failed to behave like a club captain, but I’m absolutely gutted for him. He’s a human being and he’s cocked up, but he’s got such passion for this club and now his career here is more than likely over. I really feel for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, DcFc Dyycheee said: Richard Keogh out for 15 months with two ruptured knee ligament. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11696/11823723/derbys-richard-keogh-out-for-15-months-with-two-ruptured-knee-ligaments I thought that meant two knees, but I think it means the ACL and MCL in the same knee. American footballers are coming back from those injuries quicker and quicker. The Rams lost Cooper Kupp to one last November and he was fully fit by the end of August. He's 9 or 10 years younger, but even so these injuries rarely take 15 months these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smyth_18 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Smyth_18 said: Time to move on. I sadly have. My badly drawn Keogh avatar has been axed in favour of my affinity for cold crisps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 47 minutes ago, ramjit said: Lawrence really hasn’t been playing well this season apart from Huddersfield..if he had had other things on his mind he shouldn’t of been playing and taken time off..maybe the club should off acted on this earlier on when his mum passed away. EVERYBODY hasn't been playing well ffs! Stop singling 1 person out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, cannable said: Only defence is if he was passed out drunk really and was just chucked in, we should wait for the rest of the facts really before we start ending contracts If there was any truth in that then the others involved will be in even more serious trouble than we already think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Kennington Ram said: I wonder if we still do the thing where we get insurance for our players on serious injuries like this? Could make a world of difference if we have. Presume Keogh's on a bigger wage, so over a year of that covered could pave the way to actually replace him long term... Although I suppose it could be invalid if the injury is obtained in er, the wrong ways. I would have thought yes there will be exclusions. I'd be surprised if any insurer paid out on what happened last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, KCG said: No, employers have to act reasonably and according to employment law. Unless, he has a record of poor behaviour then he has to be given an opportunity to improve! I do think there has been a lot of hypocrisy from some posters. I doubt there are very few angels here! I am sure you are right. I doubt however many posters have made such a monumental duck up as this. We are guessing and we still don't know fully what happened, but I would think as a footballer there would be certain clauses in his contract about how he is seen to represent the club, and also to take every reasonable care to ensure his fitness levels and ability to play football. Accidents can happen of course but this, on the face of it, does seem a very avoidable accident and caused by reckless behaviour. If you were a chauffeur, bus driver etc I dare bet there is a clause in the contract that if you lose your licence so you can't do your job then you can be sacked, it has to be a similar case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Paul71 said: I would have thought yes there will be exclusions. I'd be surprised if any insurer paid out on what happened last week. I agree. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see he contract extended for another year as a result of this in the same ways Barker's was. i.e. Longer deal on reduced wages to give us some short term financial flexibility and Keogh the dream of playing once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: I wonder whether the insurance will cover this? Almost certainly not. Unless they got 'stupid enough to get into a car driven by a pissed up person' insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I'd like to hear from the man himself, when the time is right. I'll always give people a chance to explain their actions before making a full judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Is there grounds to sack him for misconduct and free up his (very high) wages? I feel bad saying this but his injury was his own fault. You'd have to sack the other two, one of whom is a considerable financial asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: I sadly have. My badly drawn Keogh avatar has been axed in favour of my affinity for cold crisps. Christ don't start that debate again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: You'd have to sack the other two, one of whom is a considerable financial asset. it's a competency issue. He can't fulfill a key part of his employment which is a bit different to the other 2 unless they suffer a custodial term. It would be incredibly hard hearted but it's not my money. The club has to do what it feels is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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