Rev Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, Uptherams said: No, just stating what most people prefer. By all means, what's stopping you from being charitable. Why should the government force you to be more charitable. Rant, exactly. All you do with passages like that, is turn people away because while they may want to be more 'progressive' they don't want to align themselves with and cede power and control, and raise a platform for people who clearly have a deeper motive. Because it always get's hijacked by people who want a complete overhaul of the foundations of our society. You seem to speak on behalf of a lot of people, indeed most as you put it. Personally I just speak for myself, and how I see things. Nothing stops me being charitable, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Uptherams said: I'd be extremely careful what you may try to imply or say. Not going to tolerate it. Chill out. It’s playbook chapter 4, subsection 3.1 he doesn’t mean it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: You seem to speak on behalf of a lot of people, indeed most as you put it. Personally I just speak for myself, and how I see things. Nothing stops me being charitable, btw. I just like to listen and read people's views from focus groups to pollsters actually. Don'like the scripts activists or party members push on people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, maxjam said: Yup, they are both lairs, racists and can't count. Neither should be let anywhere near the electorate. Unfortunately true. Can’t believe our electoral choice is Bojo or Jez. I wouldn’t let either run my bath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Unfortunately true. Can’t believe our electoral choice is Bojo or Jez. I wouldn’t let either run my bath. What about the Trumpster? Not sure about baths but apparently he's quite au fait with showers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Unfortunately true. Can’t believe our electoral choice is Bojo or Jez. I wouldn’t let either run my bath. Why not? At least the water would be free under one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, jono said: Can we rename this thread Team mudslinging and selective deafness league 2019 ? who’s in your team and what stats have they got ? Player ratings ? Any injuries ? Moans about the ref ? can we have BAR ( BS and rhetoric ) Trump and Johnson upfront . That would be like a combo of Biley and Gee with those barnets. There is a risk that if they stand too close to each other in the six yard box there hair pieces may attack each other like rutting stags though. Swinson as sweeper hoping to pick up the pieces of those doing the leg work for her. Abbott as Steve Cross -equally crap in all positions . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 36 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Why not? At least the water would be free under one of them. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/16/how-does-labour-plan-to-pay-for-its-energy-nationalisation-policy I’m not sure things will be free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Van Gritters said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/16/how-does-labour-plan-to-pay-for-its-energy-nationalisation-policy I’m not sure things will be free. Meh, just add it on to the £58bn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 political discussions do nothing but entrench people in the view they already have. I’m no fan of Corbyn but it shows a lot that there is an ever growing list of lies by Johnson and The Conservatives in general and people will still back them and believe their promises. I genuinely think we’re in the a horrible time of politics where the truth doesn’t matter, politicians are not held to account due to the invested interest of the media companies and we are all left being manipulated by them so they can get their outcome. In any other time neither leader would be deemed fit to lead their party but here we are with the center being left politically homeless trying to choose between two unfavourable characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 hour ago, WilkoRam said: political discussions do nothing but entrench people in the view they already have. I’m no fan of Corbyn but it shows a lot that there is an ever growing list of lies by Johnson and The Conservatives in general and people will still back them and believe their promises. I genuinely think we’re in the a horrible time of politics where the truth doesn’t matter, politicians are not held to account due to the invested interest of the media companies and we are all left being manipulated by them so they can get their outcome. In any other time neither leader would be deemed fit to lead their party but here we are with the center being left politically homeless trying to choose between two unfavourable characters. I see you only mention Johnson and the Conservatives in relation to lying. Are they any more dishonest than the other parties? Just to remind people of 2 of the biggest lies in political history:- 1 - Corbyn and Labour promising to deliver on the result of the Referendum 2 - Swinson and Lib Dems promising not to raise tuition fees Yet both of these get swept under the carpet and instead people concentrate on what Johnson had done in his private life or previous jobs. Now dont get me wrong, I'm not defending Johnson here, a lie is a lie, but can we just stop with this charade of pretending he is the only politician that is dishonest with the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 I've been a bit busy over the last week or so and not really read the news or this thread. I'm more than bored by this election now and nothing new seems to have happened for the last week or so. Still hopeful of a hung parliament with a remainish Coalition. Don't really understand why the non-far right parties aren't standing together to keep the lunatics out and have a non-extreme approach to Brexit. Seems to me that Labour have the most sensible Brexit strategy and can't understand why the remain parties didn't sort out a sensible policy together. Immediately revoking article 50 may be what I ultimately want but it's going to turn off Brexit moderates. 2nd referendum seems so obvious. Trump/Brexit style electioneering combined with unaccountable social media seems to have pushed politics into a position where it cannot continue in it's current form. We need some great reforms or else we could be heading towards a place with little or no hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: I've been a bit busy over the last week or so and not really read the news or this thread. I'm more than bored by this election now and nothing new seems to have happened for the last week or so. Still hopeful of a hung parliament with a remainish Coalition. Don't really understand why the non-far right parties aren't standing together to keep the lunatics out and have a non-extreme approach to Brexit. Seems to me that Labour have the most sensible Brexit strategy and can't understand why the remain parties didn't sort out a sensible policy together. Immediately revoking article 50 may be what I ultimately want but it's going to turn off Brexit moderates. 2nd referendum seems so obvious. Trump/Brexit style electioneering combined with unaccountable social media seems to have pushed politics into a position where it cannot continue in it's current form. We need some great reforms or else we could be heading towards a place with little or no hope. I understand where you are on this, and respect your position. But I think it an inescapable truth that the ‘non far right’ parties might have come together if it were not Corbyn (and Momentum) at the wheels of the Labour Party. The political distrust of him is just as great as that of Johnson in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 hour ago, WilkoRam said: political discussions do nothing but entrench people in the view they already have. I’m no fan of Corbyn but it shows a lot that there is an ever growing list of lies by Johnson and The Conservatives in general and people will still back them and believe their promises. I genuinely think we’re in the a horrible time of politics where the truth doesn’t matter, politicians are not held to account due to the invested interest of the media companies and we are all left being manipulated by them so they can get their outcome. In any other time neither leader would be deemed fit to lead their party but here we are with the center being left politically homeless trying to choose between two unfavourable characters. Truth doesn't matter in politics and never has, its just about making sure you can get people to believe things are true. Fake news, dodgy stats, smear campaigns whatever doesn't matter. Populism and right-wing 'common sense' , vaguely nationalist populism is here to stay as there is no real effective counter to it as England is naturally a bit conservative so left wing populism never gets a foothold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, i-Ram said: I understand where you are on this, and respect your position. But I think it an inescapable truth that the ‘non far right’ parties might have come together if it were not Corbyn (and Momentum) at the wheels of the Labour Party. The political distrust of him is just as great as that of Johnson in my opinion. Oh yes, but many of their policies are pretty decent. Seems all of them could have created more of an understanding around Brexit and still differed on spending plans etc. The media have created an over-the-top monster in Corbyn, one of whom would be easily constrained in a pact with other leaders. We seem to fear coalitions, even though most people think the 2 party system is hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 12 hours ago, reverendo de duivel said: Near on a decade of Tory rule, and what progress has been made under the small state mantra? Rising levels of homelessness, disabled people treated like second class subjects and refused the benefits they're entitled to on the say so of a private company's healthcare assessments, stopping much needed help only for the large majority to be overturned on appeal, months later and when some have been driven to suicide by the delay. Every single NHS target missed over multiple years, whether waiting times in A&E, referral to a specialist, start of cancer treatment or even how long you'll wait for an ambulance. Far less doctors, nurses and GP's than was promised, and certainly far less than needed. The privatised Probation system, which required multiple bailouts before even the government gave up the ghost and began bringing it back in house, but not before it allowed convicted criminals back into society with minimal checks on whether the individual was safe, supported and ready to be released. The dismantling of the legal aid system, which means amongst other things Dominic Raab can tell a Norfolk couple they'll have to fund the pursuit of the American serviceman's wife who killed their son by running him down while on the wrong side of the road, that they'll have to chase justice at their own cost. Justice is still accessible, as long as you can afford it, if not tough. Post of the week for me. It really shows how myopic some people are. All the issues you raise are the things that make society that little bit more dismal, violent, crime-ridden, hopeless, inefficient, unfair, unequal and generally crappy And it's that undercurrent of "everything feels just a bit more rubbish than it used to" that drives the right wing populist vote - except they have been convinced/convinced themselves that the answer is more of the same small state, free market, privatisation of public services that got to us in this mess in the first place. And the panacea to all this is apparently just to curb immigration? Might as well take a paracetamol to cure your cancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Post of the week for me. It really shows how myopic some people are. All the issues you raise are the things that make society that little bit more dismal, violent, crime-ridden, hopeless, inefficient, unfair, unequal and generally crappy And it's that undercurrent of "everything feels just a bit more rubbish than it used to" that drives the right wong populist vote - except they have been convinced/convinced themselves that the answer is more of the same small state, free market, privatisation of public services that got to us in this mess in the first place. And the panacea to all this is apparently just to curb immigration? Might as well take a paracetamol to cure your cancer Is this the first evidence that China are muddling with this election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: Is this the first evidence that China are muddling with this election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Lads - we're all in big trouble This Henry Gabay investor fella is retweeting Remainer/People's Vote propaganda on his Twitter feed, so that's one half of us down on him already Then the fact he's a hedge fund manager and a billionaire, means the other half of us are out too Finally we can be united! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Anyone listening to 'Britains next Prime Minister' Jo Swinson on LBC atm? Nope, you're not missing much. - We must respect the right of the tiny tiny minority of people who do not identify as male or female. - We must not respect the right of 17.5m votes and cancel Brexit. - Something, something, climate, something. She's so annoying that even her own party have removed her picture from their literature ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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