Animal is a Ram Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: My main frustration is with us shopping in the same market as the rest of the division for a very small number of players (PL loans). These players may be of a reasonable standard and easy to judge how they'll settle in this league, but they'll have a £500k wage cost, and possibly another £500k loan fee on top. For that £1m we could shop abroad, find a promising young forward from an unwanted league and face zero competition. You'd be able to find one for £200-500k somewhere, with the rest going to wages. Even if they fail to adapt to the Championship straight away, we can either sell them on or loan to L1 to buy them time. Someone like Alex Tamm fits the bill. Very much an all round forward - shooting, creativity, dribbling, aerial presence, and pressing. Only 23, but out of contract in November so a small fee to get him in now (Transfermarkt value him at £380k). 84 goal involvements in 3 years, even if it is in Estonian football, would almost guarantee a buyer after a spell with us. I share this frustration, especially when we've evidenced with Kenzo and JWZ that value can be found abroad. However, I can't help but feel the admin 'hangover' is still having an impact here, our scouting network still not being fully back up and running. I do also think there's an element of us being risk-averse too. Edited August 23 by Animal is a Ram FlyBritishMidland and Caerphilly Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 12 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: I share this frustration, especially when we've evidenced with Kenzo and JWZ that value can be found abroad. However, I can't help but feel the admin 'hangover' is still having an impact here, our scouting network still not being fully back up and running. I do also think there's an element of us being risk-averse too. Hopefully they are good value but as yet we really don’t know RoyMac5 and Animal is a Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 37 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: 2 goals and 1 assist in just 263 minutes for them. And 19 goals and 3 assists in his 22 league games so far this season. A young 6 ft 3 in centre forward. What's not to love? Great find... Ghost of Clough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAmster Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 55 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: 2 goals and 1 assist in just 263 minutes for them. That's even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 3 hours ago, Animal is a Ram said: https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gary-rowett-derby-county-column-9503348 Yes, I'm sure some will call him the 🐍 - but I think this was an interesting read. A lot of points resonating with what posters have said here. Nice to see he’s doing what he does best - talking a good game in the media. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 He's not likely to be "unnoticed" having played and scored for the Estonian national team, so I wonder why no-one is seemingly interested in him in Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 19 minutes ago, Crewton said: He's not likely to be "unnoticed" having played and scored for the Estonian national team, so I wonder why no-one is seemingly interested in him in Europe? I would hazard a guess at people not risking the quality of the Estonian league and that the Estonian national team hasn't qualified for a tournament, ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 27 minutes ago, Crewton said: He's not likely to be "unnoticed" having played and scored for the Estonian national team, so I wonder why no-one is seemingly interested in him in Europe? There has been a bit of interest, but none willing to take that leap of faith. He had a loan to Zurich U21s when 18. Within the last 18 months he's had a few trials - the only named clubs I can find are Viktoria Plzen and Stade de Reims. I'd say a better fit for Warne's style of play is Jovo Lukic from the Bosnian League. He isn't a creative forward (but still finished last season with 6 assists). He's a monster in the air and does a lot of the dirty defensive work Warne craves from his forwards. 2 goals in his 1 league game this season. Will Hughes Hair, Caerphilly Ram and Crewton 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Is there any way we can put @Ghost of Cloughin touch with Mark Thomas? I’m confident he’s heard about as much about this Estonian lad as I had two hours ago. Carl Sagan, HorsforthRam and Ghost of Clough 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 5 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: Is there any way we can put @Ghost of Cloughin touch with Mark Thomas? I’m confident he’s heard about as much about this Estonian lad as I had two hours ago. I'd love to get Mark Thomas in a room with Joe McClaren. Fight over which mundane signing we can find. Ghost of Clough, RoyMac5, MackworthRamIsGod and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 I had a strange dream once where we had a bald manager doing a squad rebuild in the Championship. It was so far fetched a dream that we actually bought the captain of Croatia. Ridiculous, I know. europia and HorsforthRam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Srg said: I'd love to get Mark Thomas in a room with Joe McClaren. Fight over which mundane signing we can find. To be fair, it's difficult for us fans to correctly point the finger at. It could be that we won't sign anyone we haven't watched at least once in person, in which case the budget doesn't stretch far enough to watch every league in Europe. It could be that someone at the club wants us to focus on the Scandinavian and Northern Europe market. Or, it could be someone else at the club wanting a high proportion of the squad made up of domestic signings to reduce the risk of the player(s) needing time to settle. Perhaps the strategy for this year is as simple as has been suggested. Stabilise with a high proportion of low risk signings to ensure we stay up, then once a solid core is in place we can 'gamble' on signings a tad more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Daly Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 6 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: I had a strange dream once where we had a bald manager doing a squad rebuild in the Championship. It was so far fetched a dream that we actually bought the captain of Croatia. Ridiculous, I know. Yeah Boban would have been a great signing derbydaz22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan1884 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 5 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: My main frustration is with us shopping in the same market as the rest of the division for a very small number of players (PL loans). These players may be of a reasonable standard and easy to judge how they'll settle in this league, but they'll have a £500k wage cost, and possibly another £500k loan fee on top. For that £1m we could shop abroad, find a promising young forward from an unwanted league and face zero competition. You'd be able to find one for £200-500k somewhere, with the rest going to wages. Even if they fail to adapt to the Championship straight away, we can either sell them on or loan to L1 to buy them time. Someone like Alex Tamm fits the bill. Very much an all round forward - shooting, creativity, dribbling, aerial presence, and pressing. Only 23, but out of contract in November so a small fee to get him in now (Transfermarkt value him at £380k). 84 goal involvements in 3 years, even if it is in Estonian football, would almost guarantee a buyer after a spell with us. Only problem with Alex Tamms is it’s very hard to judge, based on league rankings Estonia ranks 44th which for reference is 11 places behind Ireland which is 33rd, a lot of the Irish leagues best players go to mid to lower league one sides. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 minute ago, Eoghan1884 said: Only problem with Alex Tamms is it’s very hard to judge, based on league rankings Estonia ranks 44th which for reference is 11 places behind Ireland which is 33rd, a lot of the Irish leagues best players go to mid to lower league one sides. I agree with that. But, how many times have we said how nice would it be to sign a player before the likes of Peterborough sign them first? To sign a player for £200k only to sell them for 10x as much. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wignall12 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Eoghan1884 said: Only problem with Alex Tamms is it’s very hard to judge, based on league rankings Estonia ranks 44th which for reference is 11 places behind Ireland which is 33rd, a lot of the Irish leagues best players go to mid to lower league one sides. Related to John Tamms ? .....bet he's a Sharpe shooter ! Gabby'sThighs and Sparkle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Liam Cooper has plenty of Premiership and Championship experience and is a free agent. If his wages are reasonable, I could definitely get beind this but we can't have a pants pulled down by him either. TomG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 14 minutes ago, Ram1988 said: I could definitely get beind this but we can't have a pants pulled down by him either. Van der MoodHoover, EraniosSocks and Derby4Me 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-a-lama fa fa fa Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 6 hours ago, Srg said: I'd love to get Mark Thomas in a room with Joe McClaren. Fight over which mundane signing we can find. id like @Ghost of Clough to get in room with him and give his dossier of all these players! Ghost of Clough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Had a quick google of this Estonian lad and I’m convinced we’ll go straight up if we sign him. Ghost of Clough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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