AutoWindscreens Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said: Nicely put AW. Of course he didn’t want to lose!! But the reason he chose them was in part because he wanted them (not other teammates) to score. The reason he believed they would indeed score is the more complicated aspect… (All of this reflects btw that Southgate is a deeply decent man ( albeit, as we all know, a one dimensional football manager). ) The racial abuse of black players and Sterling in particular in the run up was well documented and appalling. If you want to know how Southgate felt about it, go back and re-read the Dear England letter. It’s a letter about many things but I believe the reason he wrote it was to deal head on with the issue of racism. I think he felt deeply for the players who suffered - Sterling especially. The choice of Rashford, Saka and Sancho as penalty takers was all part of this and was an appalling decision. He had experienced players on the pitch and he chose three inexperienced penalty takers, none of them famed strikers of a dead ball, one a player who only ever hits a ball sweetly if it’s moving, the second a player who had had a really lousy game and the third a player who had only just gone onto the pitch in the final of a major international tournament. To put it in Derby terms, 3 Kamil Jozwiaks. It was madness. It reflected how much he believed in them, how much he wanted them to be heroes, how much he wanted to silence the racists. And in footballing terms, utterly feckless. And the result: a mountain of abuse on twitter for the hapless triumvirate. Oh and we lost. Feckless wokeism I can see you've thought about it, KH. But I think you are reading a lot into it. Rashford and Sancho both had better penalty taking records than Kane. When Rashford walked up, I said, "He doesn't miss". I know Saka didn't have a better penalty record: he'd never taken one in a match. But then, who took the 2nd? Harry Maguire, also never taken one in a match. And do you know who was lined up to take the 6th? Jordan Pickford. To me, the choice must have been prompted by what Southgate had seen in training. Rammy03 and Rev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, AutoWindscreens said: Rashford and Sancho both had better penalty taking records than Kane. Too small a sample from those two. And this was a massive occasion where Kane’s experience was likely to be a massive factor. And there were others… Shaw takes as good a pen as Ashley Cole and Henderson is Mr Utility. You can still catch the play Dear England on catchup. It doesn’t major on the race angle but there are interesting comments on it. I like what Southgate tried to do, don’t get me wrong. He just forgot what his job is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Personally I would give Warne the entire season to make his mark. I think getting us promoted and getting us over the line at the expense of three very credible challengers in Bolton, Peterborough and Barnsley warrants some credit in the bank and there is always a risk that pulling the plug after 15-20 games for instance does more harm than good. For every Rohl fairy tale, there are plenty of worse outcomes. With the way the summer is unfolding, we are going to see a significant rebuild and it’s reasonable to expect some teething problems. Assembling a competitive squad is the first challenge given we have to recruit a large number of starters and squad players, followed by getting this new look squad to gel and function cohesively as well as possible. I wouldn’t blame anyone for having concerns at present. There is quite a great deal of uncertainty over the make up and capability of the squad and while that is the case, people will naturally fret. I fully expect us to start slowly irrespective of who we sign. However I am hopeful that once the new signings settle, we will improve. To what extent that is will depend on recruitment. 15 games won’t tell us very much, certainly not enough to sack Warne at the first sign of trouble. It would have to be the most disastrous start imaginable to put his job at risk. In terms of the style of play, I would hope that if we get recruitment right that it will naturally improve and evolve as we can now attract a better calibre of player and there is scope to sign players who will line up with Warne’s vision more easily and be able to carry it out more readily. Ramrob, Will Hughes Hair, Premier ram and 8 others 3 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Now I've managed to exorcise the majority of the ill-feeling, I'm really looking forward to seeing how Paul Warne does in charge of England this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAmster Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 16 hours ago, jono said: If we are 8th after 9 games it would be a brilliant start .. Lordy Lordy we need a couple of strikers and Ebou along with a Bird replacement. I can’t see a fast start am predicting a worry filled first few games as new players gel By the way any news on young Rooney ? Getting him back fit would be a great help in the choices dept. Seen nothing about him of late. He was very close towards the end of the season. Provided there's no problems arisen, I assume he'll be ready to start pre season. jono and Crewton 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAmster Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Not going down would do, IMO. 13 to 20 for a first season back would suffice. 7 to 12 would be over achieving. Anything better than that would be orgasmic. Premier ram and Wolfie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valakari Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Slightly worried about formations and players.. Nyambe and Elder are best suited to a '4', as are Cashin & Nelson tbh. NML & CBT are suited to playing wide in a 3 up front..which means a '4' at the back also. We have 2 rwb's in Wilson & Ward who suit a back '3', (as does Bradley, although i would sell him) It would sound like he prefers a '3' but yet he is rumoured to be after yet more wingers..who don't fit in a '3'!? Either way we need a GK, 2 CF's & 3 midfielders before we even think about wingers, wing backs or full backs... RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 2 minutes ago, valakari said: Slightly worried about formations and players.. Nyambe and Elder are best suited to a '4', as are Cashin & Nelson tbh. NML & CBT are suited to playing wide in a 3 up front..which means a '4' at the back also. We have 2 rwb's in Wilson & Ward who suit a back '3', (as does Bradley, although i would sell him) It would sound like he prefers a '3' but yet he is rumoured to be after yet more wingers..who don't fit in a '3'!? Either way we need a GK, 2 CF's & 3 midfielders before we even think about wingers, wing backs or full backs... Dont worry Caerphilly Ram and jono 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamInSweden Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 4 minutes ago, valakari said: Slightly worried about formations and players.. Nyambe and Elder are best suited to a '4', as are Cashin & Nelson tbh. NML & CBT are suited to playing wide in a 3 up front..which means a '4' at the back also. We have 2 rwb's in Wilson & Ward who suit a back '3', (as does Bradley, although i would sell him) It would sound like he prefers a '3' but yet he is rumoured to be after yet more wingers..who don't fit in a '3'!? Either way we need a GK, 2 CF's & 3 midfielders before we even think about wingers, wing backs or full backs... I have been having the same concerns, but 343 is an option with more defensive wing backs. Nyambe also plays centre back, although he hasn’t done so yet at Derby. We do have a lot of players that seem to play positions we likely may not play with, but you also have to think, are these players even that good at championship level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucktwo Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 On 12/06/2024 at 10:59, Nuwtfly said: Good post and all fair points, but just for the sake of debate... Paul Warne's record so far for keeping a team in the Championship isn't great, is it? People keep saying "oh but look at the quality of the Rotherham squad"...is our squad looking that healthy at the moment? Is it not fair for fans to be a bit concerned about how we'll get on going into this season under him? We do after all only have his previous track record in this division to go by. Not saying I think we are in trouble - but just that the reservations (which I think get interpreted as criticism) by some are understandable and definitely not "mental" Well , 3 teams will be relegated at the end of the season . If we are not one of them it does represent progress . Comrade 86 and David Graham Brown 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucktwo Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) As previously mentioned , the management team are recruiting to play a couple of different systems to meet each game requirement . All successful clubs have alternatives . It will take another 3 windows for us to have a true identity . Its work in progress , lets see how much progress we have made at the end of this window. The whole thing will look very different with many incomings and undoubedly a few more outgoings before the window is shut . Edited June 15 by bucktwo FlyBritishMidland and Comrade 86 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) Seems like a discussion for a different thread really? You need to have a rather deep squad to be able to play two distinct systems, which means having a budget big enough that you can carry a number of players (of first team standard) who you know won't be playing much of the time. The players themselves also need to be reasonably content to wait their turn knowing they will drop in and out depending on the opposition and/or chosen system. We could afford to do that last season so it didn't matter if most of Warne's signings proved either not good enough or not fit enough to hold down a first team place but it's unlikely in the coming season that we'll be able to carry so many rarely-appearing players on a tighter budget relative to our competition. The answer to that would be to target (as we seem to be) players who are versatile and can cover multiple positions all to the same sort of standard, but it's no use having utility players who are actually a bit rubbish in one of their positions and having too many utility players and not enough specialists presents its own problems too. Good recruitment and getting the balance right will be key, obviously, unless our budget proves higher than anticipated. Edited June 15 by May Contain Nuts jono, RoyMac5 and bucktwo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 On 13/06/2024 at 00:10, Comrade 86 said: Yep. It's very noticeable. I don't think anyone could fairly accuse you of being anything other than respectful to be honest, sometimes overly IMO, though in your defence, I'm a difficult **** at the best of times and you are absolutely not. There's no valid reason I have seen for you to be concerning yourself unduly. If folk are genuinely upset by your tone, then it's because they choose to be. Even then, there are simple, instant and effective means to address it. Really? I haven’t ever noticed the difficult side of you old bean 👀😂❤️ Seems to me having had a quick flick through here this morning that I am doing well to have a summer break from the Forum. Crack on though lads taking chunks out of each other. Just for the record, oh, and of course it’s only my opinion, a nice bloke is old Warney, but he’s a bit crap as a football coach. Discuss. Comrade 86, RoyMac5 and David Graham Brown 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 16 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Really? I haven’t ever noticed the difficult side of you old bean 👀😂❤️ Seems to me having had a quick flick through here this morning that I am doing well to have a summer break from the Forum. Crack on though lads taking chunks out of each other. Just for the record, oh, and of course it’s only my opinion, a nice bloke is old Warney, but he’s a bit crap as a football coach. Discuss. Great to have you back old chap. I trust you're suitably refreshed? A small point of order, that being that your bobble-hatted nemesis is in fact the manager, not the coach. That's Matt Hamshaw. There's also the assistant chappy, Richie Barker, but from what I gather, he's just there to make Paul's coffee and laugh at his jokes. I sincerely hope he's well remunerated! Genuinely pleased to have you back though. Your acerbic wit and repartee has been missed, by yours truly at least. Much love, 86 x jono and i-Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 48 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Really? I haven’t ever noticed the difficult side of you old bean 👀😂❤️ Seems to me having had a quick flick through here this morning that I am doing well to have a summer break from the Forum. Crack on though lads taking chunks out of each other. Just for the record, oh, and of course it’s only my opinion, a nice bloke is old Warney, but he’s a bit crap as a football coach. Discuss. Comrade 86 and Hans Datdo-Dishes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 10 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: No need. i-Ram's a good egg, though he'll probably hate me saying as much. I'm sure everyone will gather that he's joking about PW anyway, whom he secretly rates extremely highly 😂 Steve How Hard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 18 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: I think his Royal i-ness probably retired some time ago. Steve How Hard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I wonder how people will feel when we're top at Christmas and Paul Warne leaves to take the Everton job? kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Datdo-Dishes Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: I wonder how people will feel when we're top at Christmas and Paul Warne leaves to take the Everton job? Some are starting their cars already. RoyMac5 and Reggie Greenwood 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Just now, CornwallRam said: I wonder how people will feel when we're top at Christmas and Paul Warne leaves to take the Everton job? Don’t think Paul would want to take a step down in level. Especially as Everton will be in the bottom 3 at Christmas with Notts Forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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