admira Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Post BC. Warne in 4th, better than Dave Mackay who won the league title, Rowett, Lampard, Cox, Smith, Davies, Clement. Don't shoot me down but maybe he's getting unnecessary stick? Lights blue touch paper and runs....😉  Edited October 30, 2023 by admira kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong, Caerphilly Ram, Tyler Durden and 5 others 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, admira said: Post BC. Warne in 4th, better than Dave Mackay who won the league title, Rowett, Lampard, Cox, Smith, Davies, Clement. Don't shoot me down but maybe he's getting unnecessary stick? Â Paul Warne gaining his wins in the 3rd division where as others around him played 1st or 2nd division teams. If he was managing the team in the league above I would understand it. But when you're not beat Stevenage and Cheltenham then it does throw these kind of stats into question. Adslegend, Dcfcsr92, taffyram and 13 others 1 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkley Ram Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, admira said: Post BC. Warne in 4th, better than Dave Mackay who won the league title, Rowett, Lampard, Cox, Smith, Davies, Clement. Don't shoot me down but maybe he's getting unnecessary stick? Lights blue touch paper and runs....😉  Just proves we need Steve Mac back. Adslegend, Chris_Martin, RoyMac5 and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, admira said: Post BC. Warne in 4th, better than Dave Mackay who won the league title, Rowett, Lampard, Cox, Smith, Davies, Clement. Don't shoot me down but maybe he's getting unnecessary stick? Lights blue touch paper and runs....😉  What's the trend as time has gone on? Specifically, Feb onwards? Andicis and Adslegend 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therams69 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, SSD said: Paul Warne gaining his wins in the 3rd division where as others around him played 1st or 2nd division teams. If he was managing the team in the league above I would understand it. But when you're not beat Stevenage and Cheltenham then it does throw these kind of stats into question. Let's flip the coin... All other managers around him had much better players ready for the level they were playing at. Along with the circumstances involved in the past 2 or so years that other managers also did not have then lets just see it as a positive. As I said the other day, we can always look for a negative if you try hard enough. Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, therams69 said: Let's flip the coin... All other managers around him had much better players ready for the level they were playing at. Along with the circumstances involved in the past 2 or so years that other managers also did not have then lets just see it as a positive. As I said the other day, we can always look for a negative if you try hard enough. Did they? Which ones had top 3-5 budgets in their league? Marriot Ram99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, therams69 said: Let's flip the coin... All other managers around him had much better players ready for the level they were playing at. Along with the circumstances involved in the past 2 or so years that other managers also did not have then lets just see it as a positive. As I said the other day, we can always look for a negative if you try hard enough. The league table? The s*** football?  Edited October 30, 2023 by RoyMac5 InstaRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, SSD said: Paul Warne gaining his wins in the 3rd division where as others around him played 1st or 2nd division teams. If he was managing the team in the league above I would understand it. But when you're not beat Stevenage and Cheltenham then it does throw these kind of stats into question. What weighting factor would you apply to these stats to then factor in your point? Whatever way you cut it that's the amount of games each manager has won during their tenures. If you don't accept the findings then thats not a problem with the results themselves but yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, admira said: Post BC. Warne in 4th, better than Dave Mackay who won the league title, Rowett, Lampard, Cox, Smith, Davies, Clement. Don't shoot me down but maybe he's getting unnecessary stick? Lights blue touch paper and runs....😉  How many are there in comparison in the third division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Be interesting to see Arthur Cox’s third division stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 5 hours ago, admira said: Post BC. Warne in 4th, better than Dave Mackay who won the league title, Rowett, Lampard, Cox, Smith, Davies, Clement. Don't shoot me down but maybe he's getting unnecessary stick? Lights blue touch paper and runs....😉  No David Lowe here? admira and Ram@Lincoln 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, WystonRam said: Be interesting to see Arthur Cox’s third division stats. 45.6% Played 92, won 42 WystonRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Such a misleading use of statistics. Comparing win ratios of managers who are managing against Man Utd and ones who manage against Forest Green is beyond useless. InstaRam, Dean (hick) Saunders, LeedsCityRam and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Andicis said: Such a misleading use of statistics. Comparing win ratios of managers who are managing against Man Utd and ones who manage against Forest Green is beyond useless. So… It should be 65%+ in order for PW to be considered successful and anything less is failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Dean (hick) Saunders said: So… It should be 65%+ in order for PW to be considered successful and anything less is failure? You've plucked that number from thin air, but if you're asking me whether he should be comfortably at the top of this table, then yes. Comparing him with managers that have managed in harder divisions is unhelpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: The league table? The s*** football?  37.5% Feels worse than that tbh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrycav81 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Never get why they use win % as a measurement surely it should be points per game. You could play 20 games win 9 draw 11 so get 38 points but win % 45% or play 20 win 10 lose 10 get 30 points but have 50% win ratio Still don’t think you can compare 3rd division results with first division results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 of the top 6 pretty much hounded out of the club, with number 4 to follow shortly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 9 hours ago, admira said: Post BC. Warne in 4th, better than Dave Mackay who won the league title, Rowett, Lampard, Cox, Smith, Davies, Clement. Don't shoot me down but maybe he's getting unnecessary stick? Lights blue touch paper and runs....😉  A few errors I spotted: Liam Rosenior - 58.3% Billy Davies - 44.9% (it was a 34.8% loss record) Roy McFarland - managed for 2 spells. The 1st for just 9 games with a 44.4% win record, then a 2nd spell of 93 games with a 43.0% win record. Terry Westley - 25% Paul Jewell - 22.4%  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: What weighting factor would you apply to these stats to then factor in your point? Whatever way you cut it that's the amount of games each manager has won during their tenures. If you don't accept the findings then thats not a problem with the results themselves but yourself. so you don't think that playing all his games against opposition he is almost always expected to beat will muddy the outcome somewhat? RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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