Foreveram Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Sparkle said: Still plays ( probably) I had a conversation with him just over two years ago and he said he had stopped playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPRamFan Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I'd have him back. Better than the strikers we are being linked to. Steve How Hard?, Ram1988 and Adslegend 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, Foreveram said: I had a conversation with him just over two years ago and he said he had stopped playing. He should take up walking football 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_ram Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 “The thinking man’s McGoldrick” Steve How Hard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 21 hours ago, Sparkle said: Neither was McGoldrick 🤷♂️ the bit of focus on Martin is the reality that currently we haven’t got anyone better - in the third division Warne inherited David McGoldrick, unless I'm mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mice_elf Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 3 hours ago, jimbobram said: As if you’ve gone to all that time and effort to try and make a point, purely because you read what I said completely wrong. Not at all. The reason I put up all those Transfermarkt Player Stats links was to show that the Players I mentioned not only performed at a higher level than Chris Martin, but also matched or bettered his Derby County record. Here's a Goals per minute breakdown of their respective Playing Time for Derby (I've chucked in a few others who came to mind) :- Player Mins Played Goals Mins per Goal ====== =========== ===== ============= Darren Bent 4,340 28 155 Cameron Jerome 940 6 157 Patrick Bamford 1,261 8 158 Matej Vydra 4,789 27 177 Branko Strupar 2,878 16 180 Paul Peschisolido 4,757 25 190 Grzegorz Rasiak 3,919 19 206 Chris Martin 16,455 76 216 Paulo Wanchope 6,152 25 246 David Nugent 4,920 17 284 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, mice_elf said: Not at all. The reason I put up all those Transfermarkt Player Stats links was to show that the Players I mentioned not only performed at a higher level than Chris Martin, but also matched or bettered his Derby County record. Here's a Goals per minute breakdown of their respective Playing Time for Derby (I've chucked in a few others who came to mind) :- Player Mins Played Goals Mins per Goal ====== =========== ===== ============= Darren Bent 4,340 28 155 Cameron Jerome 940 6 157 Patrick Bamford 1,261 8 158 Matej Vydra 4,789 27 177 Branko Strupar 2,878 16 180 Paul Peschisolido 4,757 25 190 Grzegorz Rasiak 3,919 19 206 Chris Martin 16,455 76 216 Paulo Wanchope 6,152 25 246 David Nugent 4,920 17 284 The number of goals hardly matters? 😄 Put number of assists in there as well. Dordogne-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 47 minutes ago, mice_elf said: Not at all. The reason I put up all those Transfermarkt Player Stats links was to show that the Players I mentioned not only performed at a higher level than Chris Martin, but also matched or bettered his Derby County record. Here's a Goals per minute breakdown of their respective Playing Time for Derby (I've chucked in a few others who came to mind) :- Player Mins Played Goals Mins per Goal ====== =========== ===== ============= Darren Bent 4,340 28 155 Cameron Jerome 940 6 157 Patrick Bamford 1,261 8 158 Matej Vydra 4,789 27 177 Branko Strupar 2,878 16 180 Paul Peschisolido 4,757 25 190 Grzegorz Rasiak 3,919 19 206 Chris Martin 16,455 76 216 Paulo Wanchope 6,152 25 246 David Nugent 4,920 17 284 So you're arguing Martin wasn't a very good player for Derby, on the basis he only outscored the next best on your list by 49 goals? Reggie Greenwood and Dordogne-Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 The best thing about Martin wasn't his goals. It was that he brought Hughes, Hendrick, Bryson, Ward and Russell into the game, into the attacking third and facing the right way. There's no stats that show that. Rev, angieram, InstaRam and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Darren Bent statistically performed better but realistically we did everything with 10 men while he stood waiting on the penalty spot. Which had its uses But Martin was more useful than Bent to Derby. angieram, Adslegend, sage and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Just now, Alpha said: The best thing about Martin wasn't his goals. It was that he brought Hughes, Hendrick, Bryson, Ward and Russell into the game, into the attacking third and facing the right way. There's no stats that show that. Those little reverse passes and triangles created made us a great watch. It's not going to be the same if he tucks one round the corner for Max who's stood on the halfway line ... Alph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Just now, Van der MoodHoover said: Those little reverse passes and triangles created made us a great watch. It's not going to be the same if he tucks one round the corner for Max who's stood on the halfway line ... Yeah I voted no but back then he was the focal point of the team. And TEAM was what it was. Everyone bringing out the best in others. Martin benefitted greatly from Bryson's overlaps and the pace from the wingers and fullbacks. Meant going tight on Martin wasn't a simple solution to stopping Derby. Bryson had his best time by far. And that was something he couldn't have done without Martin. As proven by him never looking that good before or since angieram, Van der MoodHoover and Adslegend 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Alpha said: Yeah I voted no but back then he was the focal point of the team. And TEAM was what it was. Everyone bringing out the best in others. Martin benefitted greatly from Bryson's overlaps and the pace from the wingers and fullbacks. Meant going tight on Martin wasn't a simple solution to stopping Derby. Bryson had his best time by far. And that was something he couldn't have done without Martin. As proven by him never looking that good before or since It worked. But that was then. When we go back - as we did with Andre Wisdom - it mainly doesn't work. In fact I can't think of a time it DID work. Wisdom, shackell, even Kev the King Mark II wasn't a patch on the first time..... Alph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: It worked. But that was then. When we go back - as we did with Andre Wisdom - it mainly doesn't work. In fact I can't think of a time it DID work. Wisdom, shackell, even Kev the King Mark II wasn't a patch on the first time..... Shackell!! That was humiliating Van der MoodHoover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Alpha said: Shackell!! That was humiliating Dreadful business. And 4m for Wisdom. Another 2 onto the list of terrible value for money.....bought for loads and left for nowt. And Tom Lawrence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: It worked. But that was then. When we go back - as we did with Andre Wisdom - it mainly doesn't work. In fact I can't think of a time it DID work. Wisdom, shackell, even Kev the King Mark II wasn't a patch on the first time..... I wouldn't argue with that. We shouldn't go back. Those that seek to revise history though, like he wasn't one of the best centre forwards in our recent history, need to accept he was actually a very good player, in a very decent team. Van der MoodHoover, Steve How Hard?, angieram and 4 others 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Just now, Rev said: I wouldn't argue with that. We shouldn't go back. Those that seek to revise history though, like he wasn't one of the best centre forwards in our recent history, need to accept he was actually a very good player, in a very decent team. He was quite good with Cocu too: On Martin’s goalscoring form, Cocu told RamsTV: “That is excellent, to score three in three. “I think with one or two chances he will score and it gives us an opportunity to play, to link up the play, and he knows very well when he has to drop and choose the position and be in the 18-yard box at the right time. “That was positive, especially for him.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Just now, Rev said: I wouldn't argue with that. We shouldn't go back. Those that seek to revise history though, like he wasn't one of the best centre forwards in our recent history, need to accept he was actually a very good player, in a very decent team. He was. It was a brilliant system. I loved our 2013-14 team. We were terribly unlucky with fixtures..,.we had a lot of top teams early, before Mac arrived and got us really firing. We never quite hit those heights again. Rev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Who would Martin help in this team? Jesus wept - we have zero goals from anywhere. One scorer and two number tens or vice versa desperately needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstaRam Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, mice_elf said: Not at all. The reason I put up all those Transfermarkt Player Stats links was to show that the Players I mentioned not only performed at a higher level than Chris Martin, but also matched or bettered his Derby County record. Here's a Goals per minute breakdown of their respective Playing Time for Derby (I've chucked in a few others who came to mind) :- Player Mins Played Goals Mins per Goal ====== =========== ===== ============= Darren Bent 4,340 28 155 Cameron Jerome 940 6 157 Patrick Bamford 1,261 8 158 Matej Vydra 4,789 27 177 Branko Strupar 2,878 16 180 Paul Peschisolido 4,757 25 190 Grzegorz Rasiak 3,919 19 206 Chris Martin 16,455 76 216 Paulo Wanchope 6,152 25 246 David Nugent 4,920 17 284 You only really have to look at your first column in your table to see why Martin is the best striker we have had for many years. More than 10 000 more minutes served in the black and white than second place Wanchope. On top of that all other things he brought to the team like hold up play, clever play, winning free kicks to get us out of pressure, clearing corners and so on. Also the statistics is a bit flawed due to the big discrepancy in minutes played. It's a bigger challenge to keep a good ratio between minutes played and goals per minute when the number of minutes rises sharpley for a player. Martin is a modern Derby County hero. Would he suit our current style of play? Unfortunately not I guess. Would I rather see Martin coming home than Rhodes for instance? Without a doubt even though it would probably affect his all so important minutes per goal statistics negative... Edited July 20, 2023 by InstaRam Dordogne-Ram, Ram1988, Scott129 and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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