Gary Lineker

[PistoldPete]

54 minutes ago, Rev said:

Isn't the courts decision that he's paying exactly the right amount of tax? 

As I say, HMRC do not agree. And even if that is the answer, it is only because he can afford expensive lawyers who have drawn up a contract that also him somehow to weasel out of the tax that the rest of us pay. As GBoro rightly says , people like him should be paying more tax. 

[Rev]

2 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

As I say, HMRC do not agree. And even if that is the answer, it is only because he can afford expensive lawyers who have drawn up a contract that also him somehow to weasel out of the tax that the rest of us pay. As GBoro rightly says , people like him should be paying more tax. 

Do HMRC not employ expensive lawyers to respond? Seems an oversight if not.

We should all be paying more tax, full stop.

[PistoldPete]

31 minutes ago, Rev said:

Do HMRC not employ expensive lawyers to respond? Seems an oversight if not.

We should all be paying more tax, full stop.

Er.. not all of us can afford to pay more tax. Lineker plainly can. 

[uttoxram75]

4 hours ago, PistoldPete said:

HMRC think he is. Whatever the arrangement is , his contract has run on for 30 years and has even survived him acting in breach of BBC charter. Like I say, one rule for the millionaires and one for the rest of us. 

ftfy 👍

[uttoxram75]

5 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Er.. not all of us can afford to pay more tax. Lineker plainly can. 

Totally agree. So the government should once and for all close the tax loopholes. I pay my tax without seeing it, straight out of my wages like I have for the last 46 years.

The first 12k is tax free then the rest is taxed, every penny I earn over that amount is taxed.

Do the same on all money earnt. Dividends, interest, bonuses,, no upper limit. All income over the threshold taxed without fear or favour.

If that happened the tax rate would be so low that everyone would be happy.

Except the very rich billionaires of course so it'll never happen as they happen to be the greedy barstewards who own and control the government.

[Rev]

30 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

Totally agree. So the government should once and for all close the tax loopholes. I pay my tax without seeing it, straight out of my wages like I have for the last 46 years.

The first 12k is tax free then the rest is taxed, every penny I earn over that amount is taxed.

Do the same on all money earnt. Dividends, interest, bonuses,, no upper limit. All income over the threshold taxed without fear or favour.

If that happened the tax rate would be so low that everyone would be happy.

Except the very rich billionaires of course so it'll never happen as they happen to be the greedy barstewards who own and control the government.

We should be more French.

We've lived through the greatest transferral of wealth in human history, from the early 80's onwards, and barely raised a peep.

Poll tax was probably the only flashpoint in the intervening years.

No longer can one household wage support a family, no more free higher education, no more easily accessible health care system, no more cheap and readily available public transport system, no more housing that the average young person can even dream of renting, never mind owning!

On pretty much every metric, society has gone backwards, yet we pay more and more for the privilege of even existing.

We've never needed a Guy Fawkes more than now.

 

 

[Anag Ram]

Tax doesn’t need to be high. 

If we got tax concessions for giving to charity more people would benefit. 

There will always be rich and poor based on heritage, hard work and brains.

Charging more tax will simply drive the skilful and the entrepreneurs abroad. 
 

Rewarding charitable donations shouldn’t be required but it could be a positive.
 

 

[GboroRam]

2 hours ago, PistoldPete said:

As I say, HMRC do not agree. And even if that is the answer, it is only because he can afford expensive lawyers who have drawn up a contract that also him somehow to weasel out of the tax that the rest of us pay. As GBoro rightly says , people like him should be paying more tax. 

Do you think HMRC should be able to overrule a court of law? 

Frankly tax laws are a joke, and are used against the poor. "Taxes are for little people". 

Odd that the rich ruling class allowed that to happen. 

[PistoldPete]

7 hours ago, GboroRam said:

Do you think HMRC should be able to overrule a court of law? 

Frankly tax laws are a joke, and are used against the poor. "Taxes are for little people". 

Odd that the rich ruling class allowed that to happen. 

I think there are two issues there. First you have said rich people should pay more tax because they can. Certainly I think it is wrong for avoidance schemes even when legal to be so widely used by rich people. I think we agree on that. 
 

On the specific legalities of the Lineker case, i don’t know the detail but it must be marginal or else HMRC would not have pursued it as they did. 
 

i understand HMRC may appeal. Comments I have seen suggest they didn’t fight the case very well. So it may be that Lineker had better lawyers than HMRC. Either way that isn’t satisfactory either. 

[sage]

19 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

I think there are two issues there. First you have said rich people should pay more tax because they can. Certainly I think it is wrong for avoidance schemes even when legal to be so widely used by rich people. I think we agree on that. 
 

On the specific legalities of the Lineker case, i don’t know the detail but it must be marginal or else HMRC would not have pursued it as they did. 
 

i understand HMRC may appeal. Comments I have seen suggest they didn’t fight the case very well. So it may be that Lineker had better lawyers than HMRC. Either way that isn’t satisfactory either. 

[Stive Pesley]

9 hours ago, Anag Ram said:

There will always be rich and poor based on heritage, hard work and brains.

And in that precise order as well!

9 hours ago, Anag Ram said:

Charging more tax will simply drive the skilful and the entrepreneurs abroad. 

You forgot the words "selfish" and "greedy". Surely driving these sort abroad is a good opportunity for someone else who isn't selfish  or greedy (there are plenty of entrepreneurs who aren't) to fill the gap. Win/Win

[Archied]

11 hours ago, Rev said:

We should be more French.

We've lived through the greatest transferral of wealth in human history, from the early 80's onwards, and barely raised a peep.

Poll tax was probably the only flashpoint in the intervening years.

No longer can one household wage support a family, no more free higher education, no more easily accessible health care system, no more cheap and readily available public transport system, no more housing that the average young person can even dream of renting, never mind owning!

On pretty much every metric, society has gone backwards, yet we pay more and more for the privilege of even existing.

We've never needed a Guy Fawkes more than now.

 

 

Yep , I do hope we are reaching a breaking point and the likes of lineker sitting in they’re mansions with money comming out they’re backsides spouting morals sickens me , at least have the decency to keep they’re mouths shut or do something that actually costs them , I get and give a fair bit of stick on here regards this stuff but believe me if I could wave a magic wand and have a fair society based on socialist principles that had a bit of meritocracy mixed in to keep incentives then I would , EVERYONE deserves a decent standard of living , a home , healthcare and respect 

[Archied]

11 hours ago, Anag Ram said:

Tax doesn’t need to be high. 

If we got tax concessions for giving to charity more people would benefit. 

There will always be rich and poor based on heritage, hard work and brains.

Charging more tax will simply drive the skilful and the entrepreneurs abroad. 
 

Rewarding charitable donations shouldn’t be required but it could be a positive.
 

 

Sadly I’ve almost given up on the concept of charity as it’s another area that’s been hijacked and made into a money spinning business for the few, the amounts actually going to the causes are a joke compared with what’s going into already well off peoples pockets,

the well off always find a way to make more money out of out of decent sensible ideas ,, there was a time when being green and saving the planet was rightly based on stopping take make throw away , buying more and the mantra growth growth growth ,,, now look ,,,, it’s all carbon problems that the answer to save us all is ,,, make more , spend more , tax the poor more , widen the quality of life and choices between the haves and have nots more, throw more away , ship more round the world , we’ll colour me surprised 🤷‍♂️, by someone who thought going green was the best way to a better world for all 35 years ago and I’m often told I’m the one being played 😂

Edited March 30, 2023 by Archied

[Stive Pesley]

24 minutes ago, Archied said:

Sadly I’ve almost given up on the concept of charity as it’s another area that’s been hijacked and made into a money spinning business for the few, the amounts actually going to the causes are a joke compared with what’s going into already well off peoples pockets

See - we do have some common ground mate - I fully agree with you here. Charities in the UK have also become a convenient way for some people/organisations to avoid tax. 

[Tamworthram]

1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said:

See - we do have some common ground mate - I fully agree with you here. Charities in the UK have also become a convenient way for some people/organisations to avoid tax. 

As a trustee of a local charity we'll take (and need) every penny. Well, pretty much 😀

[Grumpy Git]

If everyone paid their tax, there would be no need for charities.

[Ram-Alf]

22 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

As a trustee of a local charity we'll take (and need) every penny. Well, pretty much 😀

I give to Cancer research and The Salvation Army at Xmas, Both done through their own websites, No 3rd party taking their cut, Does all the money go to saving the poor or sick...not a clue, But I sleep well at night.

On a side note, 2 young uns knocked on my door the other day, Both had T Shirts with save the Children, Told them I don't give to doorstep collectors, Also those chuggers who go into pubs with balloons and a bucket for cash, The amount of people who give is quite astounding...probs through guilt 🤷‍♀️

[Gaspode]

12 minutes ago, The Last Post said:

I give to Cancer research and The Salvation Army at Xmas, Both done through their own websites, No 3rd party taking their cut, Does all the money go to saving the poor or sick...not a clue, But I sleep well at night.

On a side note, 2 young uns knocked on my door the other day, Both had T Shirts with save the Children, Told them I don't give to doorstep collectors, Also those chuggers who go into pubs with balloons and a bucket for cash, The amount of people who give is quite astounding...probs through guilt 🤷‍♀️

I have vague memories of one of the Sunday rags investigating the finances of (if I remember correctly) the RSPCA a few years ago - something like 90% of the money donated by the public went to pay staff including the 6 figure salaries of the chief exec and several of their mates in the 'management'.....

I always used to tell the sally army to bugger off when they used to do the rounds on a Friday night - cheeky sods don't agree with drinking alcohol but are fine with taking money off drunks....

[Archied]

1 hour ago, The Last Post said:

I give to Cancer research and The Salvation Army at Xmas, Both done through their own websites, No 3rd party taking their cut, Does all the money go to saving the poor or sick...not a clue, But I sleep well at night.

On a side note, 2 young uns knocked on my door the other day, Both had T Shirts with save the Children, Told them I don't give to doorstep collectors, Also those chuggers who go into pubs with balloons and a bucket for cash, The amount of people who give is quite astounding...probs through guilt 🤷‍♀️

Wife and myself used to give to some homeless charities, not trying to sound virtuous because let’s be honest we could all do far more but as another poster stated , we found out what percentage of the money was reaching the people in need compared to what was being spent on wages ( high earners included ) advertising ect ect and stopped , if you really have a social conscience then donate free advertising space to charities, work for free , just expenses or small wages , I have a particular soft spot towards the homeless issue as I believe so so much of our social problems stem from the fact that we don’t believe everyone has a right to a safe , secure decent home , young people in bad situation s very often have unwanted children because it’s about the only way they can escape they’re situation and get housed , people have multiple problems because they don’t have and can’t get the first building block into or back into normal life ,

I don’t find people like Lineker disgusting because of what they say , I find them disgusting because hypocrites spouting off does more damage to issues , lead by example , not by gob ,

I am more selfish than I should be ( like most of us ) but at least I’m aware of it

Edited March 30, 2023 by Archied

[Ram-Alf]

18 minutes ago, Archied said:

if you really have a social conscience then donate free advertising space to charities, work for free , just expenses or small wages , I have a particular soft spot towards the homeless issue 

I was in Leeds a few years ago, Son in Laws stag do and England Cricket a great weekend was had, Any way, We're in this bar as you do and we're talking to these lads from Derby, Here for the game we ask, No mate, We're beggars...I lol, No seriously it's easier money up here, Derby is full of beggars, He reconned he would clear £300 for the day, He said at night is the best time...pi$$ed up yorkies spunking their loot, I like to think I aint green...but Christ on a bike.

I given to those in doorways in Derby City centre...but always think...is it for food and a hot drink, Or smokes, Drugs or alcohol...it's a no win situation