AndyinLiverpool Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: And the BBC, as his employer, also have the right to advise any of their employees when they are making open statements that would be seen to contravene their impartiality standards - a fact which a few posters appear unable to appreciate or accept without throwing in the usual whatabouttery smokescreen. It cuts both ways. Have you seen the BBC's impartiality guidelines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Just now, Andicis said: That is not fair enough though is it Roy. That is a ridiculous thing to say. Don't you believe in free speech, he doesn't represent anyone but himself, what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 I'll be very disappointed if Ed Dawes shows up at BBC radio Derby today. Anyway what's all this Lineker stuff I've been away all week? David Graham Brown, Gaspode and i-Ram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 minute ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Have you seen the BBC's impartiality guidelines? Do you accept the statement I've put forward? I'm assuming you do, which is why you've ignored replying to it's content as you like others don't want to accept that Lineker is able to express his right of free speech, likewise the BBC is well within their rights to then advise an employee of theirs when said statement breaches their rules on impartiality. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 As far as I am aware you cant sack someone who you dont employ. Free speech is worryingly under threat in the UK and elsewhere from the social media mob and we need to do everything to defend it. My issue with GL's views is his hypocrisy. Someone who squirms their way out of paying so much tax shouldnt spout off so much when he wont pay his fair share to help fund the consequences of his views. HMRC are all over the status of sports presenters at the moment. Cynically my main thought is that the actions of the presenters this weekend will help any who have ongoing current tax status cases against HMRC. Many are serial offenders of all sorts of tax avoidance. Coincidence? https://taxdisputes.co.uk/2023/03/gary-linekers-ongoing-ir35-tax-dispute-with-hmrc/ Ram-Alf, David Graham Brown, i-Ram and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Do you accept the statement I've put forward? I'm assuming you do, which is why you've ignored replying to it's content as you like others don't want to accept that Lineker is able to express his right of free speech, likewise the BBC is well within their rights to then advise an employee of theirs when said statement breaches their rules on impartiality. Yes, I do. But have you actually seen the guidlines? The statement that they base their actions on? The guidlines that on Friday morning the BBC were satisfied had not been broken? Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathcairns Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: If you want to call this Govt Nazi's that's fair enough. Very clever, youve got your opinion and ive got mine . I personally wouldnt class anyone a nazi unless i had proof. Ram-Alf and David Graham Brown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, Kathcairns said: Same thing to me, it was the nazls that brought in that policy, well before the war started. But it's not the same thing. He said 'it is an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in' language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s'. If he had said the Tory Government is the same as the Nazi Government, then that would be the same thing and we could (mostly) all agree that is going too far. Just saying it's the same thing to you and ignoring the actual facts, doesn't make it the same thing. It's demonstrably not the same thing no matter how hard you wish it were and want it to be because you don't like the guys' political beliefs. IslandExile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kathcairns said: Very clever, youve got your opinion and ive got mine . I personally wouldnt class anyone a nazi unless i had proof. You have proof Lineker didn't call the Government Nazis, but you seem to still believe he did. IslandExile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmini Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Note Bristol Rovers are not talking to the BBC today. Wonder if other clubs will be doing the same? Gritstone Ram, Rammy03 and Norman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Kathcairns said: Very clever, you've got your opinion and ive got mine . I personally wouldn't class anyone a nazi unless i had proof. But you're happy to suggest that Lineker did just that? IslandExile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, rsmini said: Note Bristol Rovers are not talking to the BBC today. Wonder if other clubs will be doing the same? Premier League clubs: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64925373 Edited March 11, 2023 by IslandExile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 minute ago, rsmini said: Note Bristol Rovers are not talking to the BBC today. Wonder if other clubs will be doing the same? Not really sure how I feel about this or how helpful it is. Highly doubt it makes a dent in the upper echelons of the BBC and local radio is already under threat as seen by the cuts made recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: But it's not the same thing. He said 'it is an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in' language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s'. If he had said the Tory Government is the same as the Nazi Government, then that would be the same thing and we could (mostly) all agree that is going too far. Just saying it's the same thing to you and ignoring the actual facts, doesn't make it the same thing. It's demonstrably not the same thing no matter how hard you wish it were and want it to be because you don't like the guys' political beliefs. Genuine question. Are you, or any one else supporting Big Ears, got any examples of the language being used by the UK Government that is similar to that used by the German Government in 1930. 2 or 3 examples should satisfy me that he might have a point. Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 40 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: If you want to call this Govt Nazi's that's fair enough. Wow! RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, rsmini said: Note Bristol Rovers are not talking to the BBC today. Wonder if other clubs will be doing the same? I don't think Gary should have been asked to step back. But I will leave that to the employment tribunals and lawyers. However, what a joke that a football club refuses to use a service that many fans will rely on for their bit of escapism this weekend. I wonder if they go through all their sponsors with the same morale compass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 28 minutes ago, CBRammette said: My issue with GL's views is his hypocrisy. Someone who squirms their way out of paying so much tax shouldnt spout off so much when he wont pay his fair share to help fund the consequences of his views. HMRC are all over the status of sports presenters at the moment. And me, Since our gracious Government has given us old uns a whopping rise, I've had my tax changed, As I have a couple of private pensions and 1 annuity an annuity that pays me £11 per Anum, The shysters are going to tax me (BR code)£2.20 ? Now in conversation with my legal department to see if I can put this annuity into an offshore account ? Kathcairns and CBRammette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 25 minutes ago, CBRammette said: As far as I am aware you cant sack someone who you dont employ. Free speech is worryingly under threat in the UK and elsewhere from the social media mob and we need to do everything to defend it. My issue with GL's views is his hypocrisy. Someone who squirms their way out of paying so much tax shouldnt spout off so much when he wont pay his fair share to help fund the consequences of his views. HMRC are all over the status of sports presenters at the moment. Cynically my main thought is that the actions of the presenters this weekend will help any who have ongoing current tax status cases against HMRC. Many are serial offenders of all sorts of tax avoidance. Coincidence? https://taxdisputes.co.uk/2023/03/gary-linekers-ongoing-ir35-tax-dispute-with-hmrc/ You can especially sack someone you don't employ... because they don't have any employment rights. So if Lineker wants to defend himself he may have some difficulty with saying it's unfair dismissal, given his stance with HMRC.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Norman said: I wonder if they go through all their sponsors with the same morale compass. Or even their coaching staff Norman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob The Badger said: Hitler was a vegetarian, so he was clearly attacking vegetarians too. Is that what you thought when you read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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