BatRam Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 With us having Chester, Cashin and hopefully davies id love us to play 3-4-3 Now we've got a decent front 3 i think we'll do well! especially if we keep Beilek. Have him and hourihane in Midfield. How do you guys think we'll line up under the new manager? cstand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, CodnorRam said: With us having Chester, Cashin and hopefully davies id love us to play 3-4-3 Now we've got a decent front 3 i think we'll do well! especially if we keep Beilek. Have him and hourihane in Midfield. How do you guys think we'll line up under the new manager? As things stand I think it's still looking like a 4-2-3-1 (Wildsmith) (Byrne), Chester/(Davies), Cashin, (Roberts/Forsyth) Bird, Hourihane NML/Barkhuizen, McGoldrick, Barkhuizen/NML (Collins/Other) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) I think it’s a bit early to predict as transfer dealings both in and out are still ongoing. I’m not a big fan of three central defenders. I think we’ll go 4-3-3. If Bird stays he will start every week along with Hourihane and a mobile midfielder, whether that’s Thompson or someone new. Barkhuisen will start most games, McGoldrick is great as a supporting forward and either Collins or NML or another (Sibley, Stretton, someone new?) I still think we will lose Bielik, Lawrence, Knight and perhaps Sibley. Hope we keep Byrne and Davies and probably Forsyth, unless we want more pace at FB. Edited July 7, 2022 by Anag Ram Typo therealhantsram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) Playing a 3-4-3 requires the wide men in midfield to do a lot of running and covering in the full back area. Not sure we've got the players for that as it stands? Edited July 7, 2022 by JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Crewton and therealhantsram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 One comment my Owls mate said about NML was that he didn't do well in a 3-5-2 which is predominantly what Wednesday played. His view was that, as a second striker he simply lacked the composure in front of goal to be effective in that role. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, BucksRam said: One comment my Owls mate said about NML was that he didn't do well in a 3-5-2 which is predominantly what Wednesday played. His view was that, as a second striker he simply lacked the composure in front of goal to be effective in that role. Started 5 up front - 0 goals, 0 assists Started 8 on the left and right of midfield - 2 goals, 3 assists JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta, BucksRam, Crewton and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) The players we have currently got look a much better fit in a 4-2-3-1 to me. Rosenior might have an idea in his head of how he wants to play, but there also has to be an element of pragmatism about it based on the squad we will have in place and the level of opposition we will be playing. Edited July 7, 2022 by JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarneOut Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 I'd like a bit of flexibility. if we can get a couple of players in who are comfortable in more than one position, we can dynamically change the formation to react to what we're seeing from the opposition. For example, if we start with a 4-2-3-1, and we see the opposition trying to crowd the middle of the park and press our midfielder - I'd like on of our holding midfielder to be able to drop into a back three and release the full-backs to attack more (of course this relies on full-backs also being comfortable and capable wing-backs). Possibly ambitious, but it's that type of dynamism we will need to walk this league. Caerphilly Ram and therealhantsram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Us Rams of a certain age have a rose-tinted nostalgia for 3 at the back based on the Jim Smith era, and the sometimes stunning football we played back then. The reality is though that tactics have moved on, 3-5-2 is too easily exposed, and some variation of 4-3-3 is now the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 If we have Chester, Cashin and Davies the last thing we want is to play 3 at the back. In a proper back 3 (i.e. a 3 with progressive wingbacks, not a flat back 5), the wide central defenders have to effectively function as fullbacks some of the time - e.g. if we are being attacked down our right flank, the right sided central defender has to come wide and engage their left winger or overlapping left back, while the other 2 central defenders stay central and deal with the striker(s). And vice versa if we are being attacked down the other side. So if you have big, slow defenders (which Chester, Davies and Cashin all are, to some degree), you are basically setting them up to deal with pacy wingers running at them repeatedly, which in the last thing you want. You want fullbacks dealing with that kind of stuff and leave the central defenders to deal with man marking strikers and winning headers (gross oversimplification, obviously, but you get the idea). That's why you often see fullbacks playing in a back 3 - Forsyth (and even Byrne at times) for us, Gary Neville and Kyle Walker for England etc. JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta, DesertRam, Carnero and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 433 or 4231 suits our players DCFC1388 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4-4-2 Not just another excuse for playing this, but I like it, huh, huh. Rammy03, ramit and alanmarklewis 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 I think we are very clearly recruiting to a 433 or 4231. It doubly makes sense because all of our best players are some version of a central midfielder to the extent that that if someone like Knight is still here they likely get played slightly out of position just to get them in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-a-lama fa fa fa Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) id go with a 4231. () players linked with gk - wildsmith rb - byrne/new cb - any combo of chester/cashin/davis(roberts) lb - foz/(roberts) cm -any combo of biliek/bird/knight/tommo rw - bark/new cam - houli/sibbo lw - nml/new st - mcgold/stretton/(collins). Edited July 7, 2022 by Ram-a-lama fa fa fa BrudeRAM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyRevolution Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 How do we change fortunes away from home? That will determine midtable or top 6 Tactics? Mentality? Formation? jimtastic56 and Steve How Hard? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Wildsmith (Byrne) Cashin Davies (Forsyth) Bird Hourihane Sibley Barkhuizen NML McGoldrick Day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: Wildsmith (Byrne) Cashin Davies (Forsyth) Bird Hourihane Sibley Barkhuizen NML McGoldrick This is the correct answer. Assuming Bielik and Knight are off, if not Knight starts in place of Bielik/Bird and Knight/Sibly rotate. JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Wildsmith Bryne Davies Cashin Chester/Roberts Bird Thompson Barkhusein Hourihane NML McGoldrick/Collins Subs : New Keeper Fozzie Bardwell Roberts / Chester Sibley Collins/McGoldrick Stretton. Assumes Beilik & Knight are loaned/sold. BrudeRAM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatRam Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 46 minutes ago, DerbyRevolution said: How do we change fortunes away from home? That will determine midtable or top 6 Tactics? Mentality? Formation? Better players... which we now have ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatRam Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 I like 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1. What made me think of 3-4-3 is cause we cant really drop Cashin or Davies yet we've now got Chester ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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