Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) Whilst the EFL are determined to stymie any takeover efforts by our ( reported ) 3 financial suitors by muddying the waters,not approving any takeover until we've resolved the vexatious claims from Middlesbrough and Wycombe, potentially ending in us being 'timed out' and going into insolvency... What position do you think HMRC - clearly more powerful than our Mickey Mouse football overlords, that is the EFL - will take about being potentially paid duck all if the EFL, Gibson et al persist in this course of action, instead of getting possibly £10-15m from any potential new owners of the reportedly £28m we owe to them? Surely the former "claimants" can't take precedence over the public coffers, denying the treasury? Can HMRC usurp these petty squabbles to gain what is owed them and realistically achievable above petty sporting politics? Edited January 16, 2022 by Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster Indy, Richard Dastard Lee and jono 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster said: Whilst the EFL are determined to stymie any takeover efforts by our ( reported ) 3 financial suitors by muddying the waters,not approving any takeover until we've resolved the vexatious claims from Middlesbrough and Wycombe, potentially ending in us being 'timed out' and going into insolvency... What position do you think HMRC - clearly more powerful than our Mickey Mouse football overlords, that is the EFL - will take about being potentially paid duck all if the EFL, Gibson et al persist in this course of action, instead of getting possibly £10-15m from any potential new owners of the reportedly £28m we owe to them? Surely the former "claimants" can't take precedence over the public coffers, denying the treasury? Can HMRC usurp these petty squabbles to gain what is owed them and realistically achievable above petty sporting politics? I think we have to really hope the true creditors do take this up now. The loss to the hardworking taxpayer angle due to these spurious claims needs to get more leverage. jono, Crewton, LauraH and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretDave Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I have emailed Rishi Sunak with this point. Hopefully he reads my email and gets involved: CEU.enquiries@hmtreasury.gov.uk GenBr, Kathcairns, LauraH and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 30 minutes ago, SecretDave said: I have emailed Rishi Sunak with this point. Hopefully he reads my email and gets involved: CEU.enquiries@hmtreasury.gov.uk Knowing our luck we are gonna get a tax enquiry as well! Ram-Alf, i-Ram and maxjam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 hours ago, SecretDave said: I have emailed Rishi Sunak with this point. Hopefully he reads my email and gets involved: CEU.enquiries@hmtreasury.gov.uk Invite him to a party and he will listen. europia and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Invite him to a party and he will listen. I think you mean a business meeting, that includes the consumption of cheese and wine europia, RadioactiveWaste and jimtastic56 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 16/01/2022 at 02:33, Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster said: Whilst the EFL are determined to stymie any takeover efforts by our ( reported ) 3 financial suitors by muddying the waters,not approving any takeover until we've resolved the vexatious claims from Middlesbrough and Wycombe, potentially ending in us being 'timed out' and going into insolvency... What position do you think HMRC - clearly more powerful than our Mickey Mouse football overlords, that is the EFL - will take about being potentially paid duck all if the EFL, Gibson et al persist in this course of action, instead of getting possibly £10-15m from any potential new owners of the reportedly £28m we owe to them? Surely the former "claimants" can't take precedence over the public coffers, denying the treasury? Can HMRC usurp these petty squabbles to gain what is owed them and realistically achievable above petty sporting politics? A very good point. And I think thee answer is yes , and the admin team who's duty is to act for all creditors including HMRC are making this very point. It is fundamentally wrong , both morally and according it seems to Quantuma, legally, that these dodgy claims from Boro and Wycombe should rank higher in priority than HMRC, ST John Ambulance and the rest. CBRammette and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) This needs highlighting again. If the EFL don't make a decision over B & W s creditor status then HMRC (and others) stand to lose lots of money! Write to your tax office and demand they put pressure on the EFL! ? Edited January 19, 2022 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkletoes Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 makes these two fight to the death and then shoot the winner...........? RoyMac5, GenBr and TigerTedd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 The Sports Minister (or was it his deputy) stated in the House of Commons Tuesday afternoon that HRMC would NOT be the reason Derby went out of business. He firmly put it back to the EFL/Boro/Wycombe camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Write to your tax office and demand they put pressure on the EFL! ? I would, but it takes HMRC 3 months at the best of times to read anything you send them, 6+ months since covid! RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 EFLs rules not updated to reflect recent changes to insolvency legislation. Consequently HMRC stands to lose out on millions because either MFC win and get ranked ahead of them in the payout list, or MFC don’t get what they want and we’re liquidated and HMRC get duck all. If I were HMRC I’d be making noises about investigations into MFC and Pube-heads tax affairs . And then further investigations until they find something. RoyMac5 and SaffyRam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: This needs highlighting again. If the EFL don't make a decision over B & W s creditor status then HMRC (and others) stand to lose lots of money! Write to your tax office and demand they put pressure on the EFL! ? No point takes them at least 3 months to respond to a letter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Just now, CBRammette said: No point takes them at least 3 months to respond to a letter! Actually we had a reply at work recently that had taken 10 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINMANTED Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, CBRammette said: Actually we had a reply at work recently that had taken 10 months surely if gibsons ridiculous claim puts us out of business, he will have robbed hmrc of millions,whats to stop hmrc chasing him for the debt,but more importantly make him aware of the fact that thats what they intend to do,just to apply more pressure for him to drop the bogus claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, TINMANTED said: surely if gibsons ridiculous claim puts us out of business, he will have robbed hmrc of millions,whats to stop hmrc chasing him for the debt,but more importantly make him aware of the fact that thats what they intend to do,just to apply more pressure for him to drop the bogus claim That won't happen I'm afraid . I would be expecting them to hammering the admin team if, as I suspect, a plan is ready to go. They in turn will forward this to the EFL and they could take action against then if proved they haven't dealt with this efficiently and stopped a legitimate sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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