i-Ram Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 minute ago, PistoldPete said: I know what you meant. But you clearly do not know what I mean if you think I was virtue signalling. What was your point then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Fair enough. That’s three reasons then and we don’t need to keep on about whether Wycombe “deserved” to be promoted in the first place or were good enough to “deserve” to stay in the Championship. FYI, here's a little table of the teams who suffered P&S points deductions. Inconsistencies throughout. Birmingham the most harshly treated Delay in the season Sheff Weds got their penalty EFL's lateness in charging Derby for failed periods RadioactiveWaste, Dean (hick) Saunders, duncanjwitham and 4 others 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ramos said: Think it was a joke… A SICK JOKE I get posts pulled for mildly political quips, but people seem to be able to post lies with impunity. This post to be pulled in 5....4....3.... RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, Big Trav said: Next owner should buy a second club where they don’t have ffp. We sell all our worst youngsters for 100 mill each. Then buy the league. How forest and Watford do it correct? Burton Albion then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: FYI, here's a little table of the teams who suffered P&S points deductions. Inconsistencies throughout. Birmingham the most harshly treated Delay in the season Sheff Weds got their penalty EFL's lateness in charging Derby for failed periods Birmingham were not harshly treated. They willingly and knowingly broke FFP. So there were no mitigating factors. Derby and wendies broke FFP but tried to stay inside. I think wendies got lucky with their six points mitigation for selling the stadium. Did we get that? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eatonram Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, i-Ram said: Agree entirely. I have seen a lot on here of our fans moaning that no one from the football family has been overly supportive of our plight. But quite honestly I really don’t recall anyone on here waving the flag for Bury, nor Wigan, Macclesfield or indeed Bolton. Football fans are a very fickle lot. The only issue where I would hope/expect other Clubs to be slightly supportive is over the compensation claims from the parasites as this is unprecedented and opens such an obvious chance of a chain reaction which could affect about 30 other Clubs quite easily. I have no problems with other Clubs expecting us to "take our punishment"...which we actually have, although you wouldn't know it from the comments we get David Graham Brown and i-Ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: Hope the City will tell MM he needs to indemnify the club against the 2 claims. Problem is, the court (and buyers) might say there needs to be some sort of bank guarantee in place to back up his indemnity - very expensive if it’s for $50m and potentially running for years. Better option may be for the Council to indemnify the club, then for MM to indemnify the council. Obviously the Council think they have some leverage, with the threat to strip him of his ambassadorship. If he IS stripped of it that will certainly be an indication he is not playing ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Birmingham were not harshly treated. They willingly and knowingly broke FFP. So there were no mitigating factors. Derby and wendies broke FFP but tried to stay inside. I think wendies got lucky with their six points mitigation for selling the stadium. Did we get that? I doubt it. 3 teams had their punishment halved, the other got points added on top. I'd say that's harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Birmingham were not harshly treated. They willingly and knowingly broke FFP. So there were no mitigating factors. Derby and wendies broke FFP but tried to stay inside. I think wendies got lucky with their six points mitigation for selling the stadium. Did we get that? I doubt it. I am sorry this is utter one eyed drivel. Morris and Chansiri both completely overspent against FFP limits, and there was no attempt to 'stay inside' (other than by some not so clever accounting and/or (effectively) a fixed asset revaluation disguised as a sale). Edited January 28, 2022 by i-Ram atherstoneram, r_wilcockson, RadioactiveWaste and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 2 hours ago, i-Ram said: The Forest ‘dodge’ needs to be looked at, but we would have breached P&S limits whatever FRS 102 compliant amortisation policy we used. The 9 points was for a significant overspend on net transfer fees and players wages, which no amortisation policy could eventually hide. Everything went on and on because Morris was clearly reluctant to submit any accounts for 2 to 3 years. Watford do the same thing as well with Udenese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, i-Ram said: I am sorry this is utter one eyed drivel. Morris and Chansiri both completely overspent against FFP limits, and there was no attempt to 'stay inside' (other than by some not so clever accounting and/or (effectively) a fixed asset revaluation disguised as a sale). If everyone who used clever accounting to try and stay within FFP was actually guilty of breaching FFP then most clubs in the Championship will have broken FFP at one time. They’ve all done it. In fact Birmingham sold their ground too and that wasn’t challenged if you want to disallow that then they should have got done for more according to your warped logic. Maharan and atherstoneram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Is Rooneys press conference today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I hope the council and other brokers start to put the screws to Morris and get him to play ball if he doesn't do what is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Solloway spoke on RD about an hour ago - about 11.10 here https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_derby Not much to say, really, that we didn't already know. She was bound by confidence, by the sounds, but it felt a very much politican answer. Complex situation, they talked about how to resolve the stadium/Boro/Wycombe/HMRC. There is another meeting next week. Confident that pressure is being applied to the right people. Also attending the meeting with Mel and Team Derby. angieram and RadioactiveWaste 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just now, Animal is a Ram said: Solloway spoke on RD about an hour ago - about 11.10 here https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_derby Not much to say, really, that we didn't already know. She was bound by confidence, by the sounds, but it felt a very much politican answer. Complex situation, they talked about how to resolve the stadium/Boro/Wycombe/HMRC. There is another meeting next week. Confident that pressure is being applied to the right people. Also attending the meeting with Mel and Team Derby. It might just be me but I listened to that and felt less reassured about the situation than I did before. MackworthRamIsGod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twelveincher Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just now, Leeds Ram said: I hope the council and other brokers start to put the screws to Morris and get him to play ball if he doesn't do what is necessary. The fact a journalist will be there gives me some hope. Surely Morris would only agree to that if he was gonna do something that would win him some favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just now, twelveincher said: The fact a journalist will be there gives me some hope. Surely Morris would only agree to that if he was gonna do something that would win him some favour. Depends on if he cares about his reputation any longer. In previous times he did and also had to try and sell the club that would likely have been made more difficult with a mutinous fan base, let's hope he still gives a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dethorn Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 36 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: FYI, here's a little table of the teams who suffered P&S points deductions. Inconsistencies throughout. Birmingham the most harshly treated Delay in the season Sheff Weds got their penalty EFL's lateness in charging Derby for failed periods 27 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Birmingham were not harshly treated. They willingly and knowingly broke FFP. So there were no mitigating factors. Derby and wendies broke FFP but tried to stay inside. I think wendies got lucky with their six points mitigation for selling the stadium. Did we get that? I doubt it. Quite harsh for being a tenner over Tamworthram, Ghost of Clough, PistoldPete and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I asked the EFL a few days ago but haven't heard back from them yet. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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