Ram-Alf Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Cool As Custard said: Sorry - you do realise why MP's end up as MP's don't you? They can talk a good game but ultimately deliver sweet FA - that's why they end up as MP's they wouldn't last 5 minutes in the real world!! While earning £81,932 plus expences...like I said, Might be thick but they aint Stupid? LazloW, Zag zig, Cool As Custard and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 hours ago, nottingram said: Would be funny if Quantuma are found to be vindicated, but Derby get relegated by a point or so (this bit not so funny, bear with me). Derby then sue the EFL for not allowing Jagielka to re-sign and being forced into selling Shinnie and others, these being the difference between relegation and survival. That is a very fair point. If EFL take action based on an unlawful rule then any action they take in consequence of that rule may also be challenged. Kathcairns, RadioactiveWaste and whiteroseram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I work with ministers and MPs (of all parties) and there’s definitely a wide range of competence, ability and conflicting motivations (eg party politics versus public good). Having said that, this issue - a legal disagreement with community impact - is exactly what they should be able to address, and a decent win for them in terms of positive PR if they can influence the situation. Fingers crossed they can fight on our behalf, as this situation definitely feels political (with a small ‘p’) on EFL’s behalf. RadioactiveWaste, Crewton, cstand and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool As Custard Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said: While earning £81,932 plus expences...like I said, Might be thick but they aint Stupid? LOL - nice one ? But still dont think they'll deliver anything of note this afternoon - clueless money grabbing lying f**kwits the lot of them? Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipperram Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: That is a very fair point. If EFL take action based on an unlawful rule then any action they take in consequence of that rule may also be challenged. We would also be able to sue EFL for the delta between what Shinnie was sold for and his true market value.... RadioactiveWaste, Indy and r_wilcockson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: Going back to this (and probably not expecting anyone on here to know the answer, but anyway...). If the admins have this new tool available to them, specifically legislated to apply for last-ditch cases like us, is there any blowback on the admins (or anyone else) if they chose not to use it and just liquidated us? Do the creditors who would have got something get to take legal action against the admins, or the creditors who blocked it? Are the admins in trouble with their regulator/professional body/whatever if they don't use it? I'm just wondering how nasty the rock-and-hard-place the admins are stuck between actually is. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, chipperram said: We would also be able to sue EFL for the delta between what Shinnie was sold for and his true market value.... And hypothetical results for if we’d still had him. That’s how it works isn’t it…? Indy, r_wilcockson, whiteroseram and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramewe Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Indy, SaffyRam, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army and 9 others 9 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Capp Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, Cool As Custard said: This worries me The MP's won't really have a clue about the situation & will get fobbed off by Trevor Birch bulls**t They'll come back and say they tried but we have to let the process play out You can see it coming a mile off..... They might get fobbed off today but if they've got anything about them they'll go away and speak to Q and the Supporters Group to form a rounded opinion. If they don't then that's the next thing we push for... RoyMac5 and Kathcairns 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Is the local media (Radio Derby, DET) doing everything they can to highlight our Clubs' precarious position to the rest of the footballing world in this country? Surely at the very least, by now they should have asked to interview the owners of Boro and Wycombe, ask them to clarify their motives for pursuing the actions they are taking and get their view if these actions drive Derby County as we now know it out of business. Make the news, don't just regurgitate other source information/ gossip. BarrowRam, Ramarena, The Scarlet Pimpernel and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ramewe said: Our Council tax is going up. rammieib, JoetheRam, Archie and 11 others 1 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Is the local media (Radio Derby, DET) doing everything they can to highlight our Clubs' precarious position to the rest of the footballing world in this country? Surely at the very least, by now they should have asked to interview the owners of Boro and Wycombe, ask them to clarify their motives for pursuing the actions they are taking and get their view if these actions drive Derby County as we now know it out of business. Make the news, don't just regurgitate other source information/ gossip. Only chance you have of getting anything out of the Wycombe bloke is if you tell him you were injured at work… Ram-Alf and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, Cool As Custard said: LOL - nice one ? But still dont think they'll deliver anything of note this afternoon - clueless money grabbing lying f**kwits the lot of them? £82,000 isn't an excessive salary for a job based in central London which doesn't pay overtime, may involve allot of travelling, and which carries the risk of daily abuse, threats to life and limb, and even the occasional assassination, even if there are generous living expenses thrown in. i-Ram, cstand and PistoldPete 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, Ramewe said: ...to buy the ground from Mel and then sell it back to the club for a quid TomG and Ram-Alf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: Going back to this (and probably not expecting anyone on here to know the answer, but anyway...). If the admins have this new tool available to them, specifically legislated to apply for last-ditch cases like us, is there any blowback on the admins (or anyone else) if they chose not to use it and just liquidated us? Do the creditors who would have got something get to take legal action against the admins, or the creditors who blocked it? Are the admins in trouble with their regulator/professional body/whatever if they don't use it? I'm just wondering how nasty the rock-and-hard-place the admins are stuck between actually is. The admins have a legal duty to act in the interests of the creditor sand to avoid liquidation if they can. Problems arise when different creditors disagree about what is best for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, Cool As Custard said: LOL - nice one ? But still dont think they'll deliver anything of note this afternoon - clueless money grabbing lying f**kwits the lot of them? A threat to withdraw funding of any sort will get the EFLs attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Why aren’t Middlesbrough suing Aston Villa? The team who actually won the playoffs while failing FFP? WoollyJumper, ariotofmyown, Boycie and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, PistoldPete said: Problems arise when different creditors disagree about what is best for them. Or when phantom creditors masquerade as genuine creditors. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 32 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: Going back to this (and probably not expecting anyone on here to know the answer, but anyway...). If the admins have this new tool available to them, specifically legislated to apply for last-ditch cases like us, is there any blowback on the admins (or anyone else) if they chose not to use it and just liquidated us? Do the creditors who would have got something get to take legal action against the admins, or the creditors who blocked it? Are the admins in trouble with their regulator/professional body/whatever if they don't use it? I'm just wondering how nasty the rock-and-hard-place the admins are stuck between actually is. I met a couple of swingers the other day, It was their 1st encounter on the swinging scene, Unfortunately she struggled and I got a blowback PS...I aint tellin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Why aren’t Middlesbrough suing Aston Villa? The team who actually won the playoffs while failing FFP? Because the EFL can't get involved with anything to do with a Premier League team. The question should be 'Why didn't Middlesbrough sue Derby in 2019'. The answer, because we didn't have a noose around our neck like we do now. This whole debacle is like 10 bullies at school picking on one lad and they think it's funny, until the lad shows up with Cobra Kai. Edited January 17, 2022 by Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Abu Derby, RadioactiveWaste, Derby4Me and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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