Ram-Alf Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Bearing in mind that the EFL have had some shyte legal/expert representatives of late...remind me, Who valued Pride Park? Edited January 17, 2022 by Unlucky Alf Ramarena, Zag zig, Rammy03 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said: remind me, Who valued Pride Park? Bubbles, Ram-Alf, 1967RAMS and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said: So efl amend their rules and then Gibson puts in a new claim ! Any claim should only be applicable at the time of the old efl rules , which means it was invalid You can't close the gate after the horse has bolted, You work with the rules you have, Not amend after? Edited January 17, 2022 by Unlucky Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Trav Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 put us head to head against the EFL and we win. Once this is all over (hopefully soon) i think that we have grounds to say the EFL have a vendetta against us and hopefully we run them dry and take all the money from every club. ONLY then will the rest of the clubs in the EFL accept that the EFL are not fit for purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Unlucky Alf said: You can't close the gate after the horse has bolted, You work with the rules you have, Not amend after? How so if the rules are against the law?! David Graham Brown and r_wilcockson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, RoyMac5 said: How so if the rules are against the law?! Surely you work with the law that's in place, Once the case is settled THEN you change the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Just now, Unlucky Alf said: Surely you work with the law that's in place, Once the case is settled THEN you change the law The law has been changed, the EFL rules have not, is the point being suggested. Wsm-ram, Norman, David Graham Brown and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 The answers from Rick Parry's email address that consistently take the line of something like 'we have to comply with our own insolvency rules' now seem to make more sense. Denial. And some arse covering. Why the duck has the EFL not released a statement this morning informing the fans and correcting the 'misinformation'. If they care about the fans, surely they should notify of us of the administrators' incompetence? We all know the answer by now. David Graham Brown, Rammy03 and Ramarena 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Tup Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Derbados said: This was my thoughts exactly, why have they only just discovered this?? But just think how much money the administrators have made in the interim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Rick Parry this morning. LauraH, OUTSIDER, Derby4Me and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Norman said: The answers from Rick Parry's email address that consistently take the line of something like 'we have to comply with our own insolvency rules' now seem to make more sense. Denial. And some arse covering. Why the duck has the EFL not released a statement this morning informing the fans and correcting the 'misinformation'. If they care about the fans, surely they should notify of us of the administrators' incompetence? We all know the answer by now. So someone email Parry and ask if EFL rules are in line with current law? David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 26 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Does this mean he will shut up for a bit and stop muddying the waters? Steve How Hard?, David Graham Brown and RadioactiveWaste 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Norman said: The answers from Rick Parry's email address that consistently take the line of something like 'we have to comply with our own insolvency rules' now seem to make more sense. Denial. And some arse covering. Why the duck has the EFL not released a statement this morning informing the fans and correcting the 'misinformation'. If they care about the fans, surely they should notify of us of the administrators' incompetence? We all know the answer by now. I very much think arse cover is actually a primary driver for the EFL at this point. As for Nixon saying a game of "my QC is better than your QC" is probably true, but, no matter how good your QC is, the position they're batting for does have a bearing on how things turn out. David Graham Brown, Crewton, Norman and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) It's just the ultimate cop out isn't it? It's not our fault, we're just following our guidelines. Yes, we know our guidelines aren't fit for purpose, we know they're outdated and barely worth the paper they're written on. Yes we know that these claims against you hold no legal weight, we know that the claims against you are an unprecedented abuse of the system but they're not covered by our guidelines so um actually scrap that, we don't know anything about them, we haven't even looked at them (honest!) so we can't act on them. You deal with it, we insist. No really, we insist. Or else. Yes we know we don't actually have any legal right to insist, but so what? Not our problem. What's that you say? The requirement to use a straight line amortisation method isn't stated in our guidelines? And using our own logic that things outside of our guidelines are nothing to do with us, that would mean we can't act against someone for using a different method? But haven't we just spent 2 years exacting punishment after punishment against a club because they used a errrrm, eeeerrrrm, errrrrm, errrrrrrrrrrrrm.... look over there, a three-headed monkey! Edited January 17, 2022 by Coconut's Beard Foreveram, Ram-Alf, The Scarlet Pimpernel and 17 others 14 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: Does this mean he will shut up for a bit and stop muddying the waters? Not on your nelly dear boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: So someone email Parry and ask if EFL rules are in line with current law? He, or whoever has been replying, has been avoiding answering direct questions with a yes or a no. The petition deals with this point, so hopefully pressure is now being applied by MPs, the administrators, Mike Ashley, creditors and the media with the backing of 40,000 football fans and counting. Unfortunately for the EFL, we aren't Bury or Wigan. We're Derby. Bald Eagle's Barmy Army, Andicis, David Graham Brown and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Now the EFL realise they may have ballsed up again... PistoldPete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HectorsHouse Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, BucksRam said: I agree and that's the crux. It's the law of the land and as such the EFL must, in my view be compliant. If I read this all right, they're not so should be held to account. They can apply their own rules about how clubs are run etc, (to a degree of course but that's a whole different topic re victimisation, inconsistency, independent regulation etc) but where their rules / processes breach UK law then they must be pulled up for it. No organisation should be above the law. If you don't comply with law, then you get fined or have any license to operate revoked. … ahh but they have previous with this. Remember the amortisation issue… we allegedly used an acceptable legal accounting model, but not a model that they agreed with even though they didn’t specify what an acceptable model should be… David Graham Brown and Crewton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Norman said: He, or whoever has been replying, has been avoiding answering direct questions with a yes or a no. Well then there is your answer. They are following 'their own' insolvency rules. Those rules don't comply with current law. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, HectorsHouse said: … ahh but they have previous with this. Remember the amortisation issue… we allegedly used an acceptable legal accounting model, but not a model that they agreed with even though they didn’t specify what an acceptable model should be… That's their own regs, not the law of the land. r_wilcockson and David Graham Brown 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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