PistoldPete Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Tyler Durden said: As soon as analogies like this start to spring up then that's me out of the discussion. Oh good. Comrade 86, therealhantsram and Gritstone Tup 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: So if a poor black kid gets stopped by police three times , charged with loitering or whatever and each time the Court dismisses the charge .. you don’t think that may be saying something about the police rather than the kid? Get the sentiment Pete, but not sure I'm with you on the analogy. Sorry. Reggie Greenwood and Tyler Durden 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Oh good. Totally inappropriate use of a comparison and just further devalues the point you're attempting to make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Just now, BucksRam said: Get the sentiment Pete, but not sure I'm with you on the analogy. Sorry. Ok maybe taking it too far, but there does come a point when somebody getting charged over and over starts to feel a bit victimised . On the admin I totally get the need for a moral hazard clause … and indeed a force majeure clause too. but the EFL should stop bleating about the appeal. The admin team are perfectly entitled to make it. Indy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Totally inappropriate use of a comparison and just further devalues the point you're attempting to make Ok so it’s over the top , sorry to anyone offended. Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I know logically there shouldn't be any interaction between the -12 for administration and the appeal against that and the as yet untested (but negotiations ongoing) P&S situation after restating our figures, however, i can't help but think in the world of the EFL they might do. "oh stop it trying to get out of the administration 12 points, go on, we'll then offer to reduce our other deduction from 12 (3 suspended) to 9 points, but a further three if you displease us for any reason at any time, and issue a grvelling apology to steve gibson and wycombe which will impact their claims against you." sort of negotiation offer from the EFL. Crewton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Ok maybe taking it too far, but there does come a point when somebody getting charged over and over starts to feel a bit victimised . On the admin I totally get the need for a moral hazard clause … and indeed a force majeure clause too. but the EFL should stop bleating about the appeal. The admin team are perfectly entitled to make it. Yeah, which is why I got (and agreed) the sentiment - just that the analogy was perhaps somewhat contentious. Noted the apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know nuffin Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Regarding covid being the cause. The EFL have stated that we were running on some kind of benefactor policy. Yet to see much speculation on top of the 20 million list by the rams how much Morris lost due to covid and hence we went into administration because his money had run out (said in radio Derby interview) and he could not continue putting money in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, BucksRam said: Yeah, which is why I got (and agreed) the sentiment - just that the analogy was perhaps somewhat contentious. Noted the apology. Yeah so of course it’s not the greatest injustice of humanity but the more times we are charged and no points deducted the more it seems to polarise opinions. For Derby fans (some , maybe most) think it shows the Efl are out to get us. For certain Bristol fans it shows that Derby are always “getting away with it.” BucksRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said: How do you know he wasn’t advised to do this? I don’t. But what i do know is he did It. No one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 6 hours ago, Unlucky Alf said: How does that work. It’s quite a simple process really, let me try and explain It to you…. he was running a failing business through years and years of bad boardroom decisions, and then he decided to stop putting his money into the club to cover up these mistakes he has been consistently making…and…we went bust… that clear enough for you? Gritstone Tup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, MuespachRam said: It’s quite a simple process really, let me try and explain It to you…. he was running a failing business through years and years of bad boardroom decisions, and then he decided to stop putting his money into the club to cover up these mistakes he has been consistently making…and…we went bust… that clear enough for you? Nope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Unlucky Alf said: Nope! Ok…I can’t help you then. Got to go, off to the game like a real loyal fan..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: It’s quite a simple process really, let me try and explain It to you…. he was running a failing business through years and years of bad boardroom decisions, and then he decided to stop putting his money into the club to cover up these mistakes he has been consistently making…and…we went bust… that clear enough for you? We missed getting promotion in 2019 by the narrowest of margins. He decided to sell the club as his money was running out but in January 2020 with a sale agreed EFL tried to hit Derby with some trumped up charges. the buyer then pulled out. and then in March 2020 something else happened , oh I seem to have forgotten what that was It I seem to remember it was on the news but now like you it has slipped my mind completely. RoyMac5 and I know nuffin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: I don’t. But what i do know is he did It. No one else. Thanks Mr know it all. You know nothing but act as if you know everything. mwram1973, I know nuffin, Wolfie20 and 2 others 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 4 hours ago, alram said: ... That is all it is, an excuse. It is like murdering 10 people and saying that you were out of control because you had 1 pint before hand. 2 hours ago, PistoldPete said: So if a poor black kid gets stopped by police three times , charged with loitering or whatever and each time the Court dismisses the charge .. you don’t think that may be saying something about the police rather than the kid? If these posts (and this response) don't get deleted, they will forever be available to the eyes and minds of the worldwide public, and forever be associated with "Derby County fans". Let that sink in! ? Reggie Greenwood and Crewton 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, PistoldPete said: Ok so it’s over the top , sorry to anyone offended. I'm not going to try and get on my moral high horse as am certain I've posted questonable stuff and I do come across as a nark so no worries and nothing personal ? i-Ram and norwichram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: If these posts (and this response) don't get deleted, they will forever be available to the eyes and minds of the worldwide public, and forever be associated with "Derby County fans". Let that sink in! ? Yeah they're really bad takes this is nothing like racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriggRam Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: If these posts (and this response) don't get deleted, they will forever be available to the eyes and minds of the worldwide public, and forever be associated with "Derby County fans". Let that sink in! ? It's the Derby way...........kidding ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 If you chose to walk a tightrope over a canyon for a living and then, one day out of the blue, an unforecasted gust of wind causes you to fall, is it the freak and unforeseen weather that caused your death or the fact you were on a tightrope at the time it blew? This is the crux of the appeal, in my opinion. The effects of a viral pandemic is force majeur regardless of the position of the business before it hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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