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Long Keogh piece in the Guardian


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On 01/10/2021 at 21:25, RoyMac5 said:

Read the stuff he says - and then think of ALL the things that aren't mentioned. "Then came the ill-fated decision. Keogh had missed his lift home..." ? Jack-a-bloody-nory.

No mention of taxis, seatbelts, him being captain - the player he doesn't name (a v young player!), etc etc

 

Am I right in thinking the young player was Buchanan?

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4 hours ago, angieram said:

For the umpteenth time, it wasn't a court of law. It was the EFL Players Related Dispute Commission,  where Keogh referred it after his appeal to the EFL had originally failed.

If he had taken it to an independent industrial tribunal, that would have failed too. 

 

Glad you said that Angie I am fed up of saying it to all i meet in person or on SM.

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32 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

I funnily enough injured myself while playing football. I was informed by my employer that I wasn't eligible for company sick pay, as it was deemed a self inflicted injury, has per the terms of my contract of employment.

I'd give Gordon Taylor a bell mate. You'll be a multimillionaire within a couple of months. 

Ole Gordon wouldn't let small issues of morality, general good, or egregious greed get in the way of helping out a player of the beautiful game.... ?

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33 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

How was employment laws circumvented. If Keogh had been injured while fulfilling  the terms of his contract, then he would have expected to receive his wages. But he in all intents and purpose sustained an injury that was self inflicted, I funnily enough injured myself while playing football. I was informed by my employer that I wasn't eligible for company sick pay, as it was deemed a self inflicted injury, has per the terms of my contract of employment.

Your case seems a bit harsh, Keogh's case at the opposite end of the scale of generosity. I mean EFL were very very generous with Derby's money.

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5 hours ago, Raich Carter said:

Not sure if it’s been said or not but the pay out was just the money Keogh would have been paid if we hadn’t sacked him so not sure it’s quite as bad as some think.

That’s like paying on line for your groceries and then not getting any groceries ??‍♂️

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3 hours ago, Ramarena said:

In the week that the club had to make a number of local people redundant, we need to spare a thought for poor Richard Keogh.

Poor guy goes to the pub after a club event, didn’t really drink anything, probably made a couple of huge donations to charity, also probably saved some drowning puppies and helped an old lady cross the road!

He then wakes up injured in a crashed car, through absolutely no fault of his own!

Then the club outrageously sacks him.……..Awful!

He’s the real victim here!

Jesus H Christ!  What is it with folk still trying to defend him, like he is some kind of saint!

It was one drowning puppy, for crying out loud!  JUST ONE!

... And a mongrel at that!  Not even a cute one!   Jeez!

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5 hours ago, Foreveram said:

That’s like paying on line for your groceries and then not getting any groceries ??‍♂️

You're not understanding me. If we hadn't have sacked Keogh then we'd have still been paying his wages anyway - i.e. we were already committed to it. The paying for groceries analogy does not apply. 

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46 minutes ago, Raich Carter said:

You're not understanding me. If we hadn't have sacked Keogh then we'd have still been paying his wages anyway - i.e. we were already committed to it. The paying for groceries analogy does not apply. 

It's like paying £30 a month phone contract, vs paying £720 for the whole 2 year contract up front. Our cash flow is what's caused us our current disastrous situation, so it cost us dearly, I'd say. 

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11 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

It's like paying £30 a month phone contract, vs paying £720 for the whole 2 year contract up front. Our cash flow is what's caused us our current disastrous situation, so it cost us dearly, I'd say. 

Except if we had paid his wages since 2019 our cash flow would have been worse than if we had to pay him in 2021.

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1 hour ago, GboroRam said:

It's like paying £30 a month phone contract, vs paying £720 for the whole 2 year contract up front. Our cash flow is what's caused us our current disastrous situation, so it cost us dearly, I'd say. 

You’re not getting it. We were already committed to paying his wages regardless of the accident. We sacked him so we did t have to do that but the tribunal said we needed to pay him the money as per his contract. Hence why I say, apart from having to finance a replacement, we’ve simply paid him the money he’s have earned had he not been injured. 
 

it really isn’t that complicated. Wish I hadn’t bothered. 
 

and cash flow wasn’t an issue then. If Mel hadn’t have paid it to Keogh he undoubtedlywould have spent it on something else. 

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7 hours ago, Raich Carter said:

You’re not getting it. We were already committed to paying his wages regardless of the accident. We sacked him so we did t have to do that but the tribunal said we needed to pay him the money as per his contract. Hence why I say, apart from having to finance a replacement, we’ve simply paid him the money he’s have earned had he not been injured. 
 

it really isn’t that complicated. Wish I hadn’t bothered. 
 

and cash flow wasn’t an issue then. If Mel hadn’t have paid it to Keogh he undoubtedlywould have spent it on something else. 

Apologies for not realising we weren't being expected to pay him up in one go. Not sure why you're taking it so personally though. 

I don't agree cash flow wasn't an issue though. This hasn't suddenly started now. 

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2 hours ago, GboroRam said:

Apologies for not realising we weren't being expected to pay him up in one go. Not sure why you're taking it so personally though. 

I don't agree cash flow wasn't an issue though. This hasn't suddenly started now. 

Sorry, just that it was meant as I 'it isn't all doom and gloom' post and then got people with daft analogies and missing the gist. I just meant it's not all bad but clearly not a situation anyone wanted.

Cash flow - who knows. The whole situation was ridiculous but FWIW I agree that Keogh should have been sacked. But then so should Lawrence and Mason as whilst they might have had perceived commercial value, in reality, they're both poo. 

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