sage Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Chris_Martin said: but Lampard made all of them 3 look good players. really? Malone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Monty said: I don’t blame Rooney for yesterday for the reasons mentioned. I don’t think we were desperately holding on more wobbling I wouldn’t wait as long as January to make a decision just think that with all the off field issues and potential changes I would hold off for a while. For me ten games and the impact of any incoming players (if any) would be the time we gave Cocu 10 games last season, and only just stayed up on the last day. Can we afford to wait that long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Curtains said: They wouldn’t as he’s not ready yet. Re Lampard I know they wouldn’t yet but you are implying Rooney is more loyal than Lampard and I’m suggesting the only reason for this is because Rooney hasn’t had such an offer not because he is more loyal. Deej, Ramarena and Chris_Martin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: but Lampard made all of them 3 look good players. He wouldn’t play Marriott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, sage said: really? Malone? Malone looked a decent championship player. it was well said at the time, we missed him in the play off final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, Tamworthram said: I know they wouldn’t yet but you are implying Rooney is more loyal than Lampard and I’m suggesting the only reason for this is because Rooney hasn’t had such an offer not because he is more loyal. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Curtains said: He wouldn’t play Marriott Marriott played a lot of games that season. I'm guessing your referring to the play off final. Well who can blame Lampard for picking the same team that did so well against Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, MuespachRam said: King Billy, he is the only one that can save us now. It baffles me that in all those years since he left Forest, no one has employed him, despite a pretty decent record overall. You'd think someone would have taken a punt, even from desperation. Deej and MuespachRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: Marriott played a lot of games that season. I'm guessing your referring to the play off final. Well who can blame Lampard for picking the same team that did so well against Leeds. Lampard fell out with Marriott allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Chester40 said: I don't really get your argument. It feels like you decided to just change your mind with no reason and can't understand why everyone else hasn't. We have played two games against teams we needed to do well against and have 1 point to show for it. The performances look pretty similar to last season's shocking run and we have a tough run coming up soon. We have a totally inexperienced manager at a time when we need someone who can use their experience to squeeze every ounce out of incredibly limited resources...and we have an ex-England manager with decades of experience mooching about drinking tea. Seems wrong to me. Disagree the results are similar so far, don’t think the performances are as bad, and 3 games isn’t a fair sample size. I’m not questioning people that have that view, but spouting 1 win in 18 and this being a continuation of last season is not a fair reflection of the current situation off the field which has worsened, and on the field where there has been some improvement in performance and clear evidence of a different way of going about it to last season. I could understand it more if we were setting up entirely to stop the opposition like last season but so far I haven’t seen that. 3 games into the season with a weaker squad (not him) and trying to implement different tactics is not the time to judge and it’s irrelevant anyway because we’re stuck with him. However we could win 3 in a row and some posters will be saying 4 wins in 20, because they’ve backed the Rooney out campaign and won’t back down, ignoring what’s actually going on. As for changing my mind, personally I think everyone should always feel free to change their position based on what is actually happening and feel free to admit when you get it wrong. Inverurie Ram, The Scarlet Pimpernel and Rev 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Curtains said: Lampard fell out with Marriott allegedly and.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, Chris_Martin said: and.... If you think Lampard was a success fine . I think he ultimately failed and cost us or might I say DCFC a lot of money MuespachRam and Inverurie Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said: Disagree the results are similar so far, don’t think the performances are as bad, and 3 games isn’t a fair sample size What are you seeing about results that is different? 16 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said: As for changing my mind, personally I think everyone should always feel free to change their position based on what is actually happening and feel free to admit when you get it wrong. I still don't see what you are arguing you are seeing is happening that is different...other than he has more excuses now than last season. Edited August 15, 2021 by Chester40 Deej and Jimbo Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: we gave Cocu 10 games last season, and only just stayed up on the last day. Can we afford to wait that long? I gave up on cocu after the charlton away game - I was at the match and could see no future with him my concern with Rooney is him learning on the job in very difficult circumstances example without wishing to sound like a football manager geek (I don’t play it) having looked at the post game analyses we have had the same formation in our three games against sides playing three different formations - is this good management or not being adaptable Edited August 15, 2021 by Monty Word edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 @Curtainsim not arguing one way or the other, but I’d like you to HONESTLY answer this question, without talking in riddles:- in your opinion, has Rooney EVER got the best out of any single Derby player? Deej and Patrick Rams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chester40 said: What are you seeing about results that is different? I still don't see what you are arguing you are seeing is happening that is different...other than he has more excuses now than last season. The results are the same - that’s the only thing that is but we’re 3 games in which isn’t a fair sample size. But the performances with what I’ve seen are different. We’re actually trying to be more of an attacking force, there is a pattern of play which there wasn’t for long parts of last season and some positive signs in an extremely negative situation to the point of I’m not prepared to accept that after 2 league games we are doomed. We will see. Chester40 and Inverurie Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 44 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: we gave Cocu 10 games last season, and only just stayed up on the last day. Can we afford to wait that long? If we go down it won’t be because we gave Rooney 10 games. We have much bigger problems right now than Wayne Rooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: @Curtainsim not arguing one way or the other, but I’d like you to HONESTLY answer this question, without talking in riddles:- in your opinion, has Rooney EVER got the best out of any single Derby player? Yes . CKR for one . The players talk highly of him Morrison seems to want to play for him Inverurie Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said: If we go down it won’t be because we gave Rooney 10 games. We have much bigger problems right now than Wayne Rooney Do you know that? If we had a bit more money, a little more stability and brought in a few more players...would results be different? I'm not so sure... I think another manager with experience would get more out of what we have. Jimbo Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, Curtains said: If you think Lampard was a success fine . I think he ultimately failed and cost us or might I say DCFC a lot of money putting aside if he was a success or not, he wouldn't have spent the money if Mel hadn't allowed him to. He did also sell Vydra for over £10million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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