Leeds Ram Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, MuespachRam said: Lampard and gerrard were 2 of the main reasons we didn’t win anything during the golden generation…! gareth will go down as the best English manger ever after we cruise past Denmark and thrash Italy. The fact they were such big players in the squad does mean they are well placed to discuss the issues of that group. It was only a 15 minute discussion on ITV but it was interesting. I think that's going a bit far tbh. He'll have to win a world cup to beat Alf Ramsey in people's minds I imagine. If we win the euros he'll definitely eclipse Robson and everyone bar Ramsey though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: Lampard and gerrard were 2 of the main reasons we didn’t win anything during the golden generation…! gareth will go down as the best English manger ever after we cruise past Denmark and thrash Italy. Yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 25 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: Gareth will go down as the best English manger ever after we cruise past Denmark and thrash Italy. If he fails perhaps you'll be eating your words..... ? MickD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Leeds Ram said: The fact they were such big players in the squad does mean they are well placed to discuss the issues of that group. It was only a 15 minute discussion on ITV but it was interesting. I think that's going a bit far tbh. He'll have to win a world cup to beat Alf Ramsey in people's minds I imagine. If we win the euros he'll definitely eclipse Robson and everyone bar Ramsey though. Already he has got Us to 3 semi finals on the trot at least… best ever. TimRam and TigerTedd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: Already he has got Us to 3 semi finals on the trot at least… best ever. Nations League is a recent invention so adding that to the list is a bit unfair on other managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 54 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said: Nations League is a recent invention so adding that to the list is a bit unfair on other managers. But it’s a fact… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, MuespachRam said: But it’s a fact… so is what I said. You can't argue that a manager is better than previous ones using a metric that includes a tournament that didn't even exist the previous managers were employed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Leeds Ram said: The fact they were such big players in the squad does mean they are well placed to discuss the issues of that group. It was only a 15 minute discussion on ITV but it was interesting. I think that's going a bit far tbh. He'll have to win a world cup to beat Alf Ramsey in people's minds I imagine. If we win the euros he'll definitely eclipse Robson and everyone bar Ramsey though. 2 major semis puts him 2nd. Sir Alf: 1st, SF QF, DNQ, DNQ Robson: DNQ, QF, Groups, SF... Southgate's already eclipsed him. Venables: SF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Leeds Ram said: so is what I said. You can't argue that a manager is better than previous ones using a metric that includes a tournament that didn't even exist the previous managers were employed. Ok then, he has won more knockout games than any other English manager in history…that one ok for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 58 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: Ok then, he has won more knockout games than any other English manager in history…that one ok for you? Won’t top Ramsey until he wins a World Cup. But there’s certainly an argument for him being our second greatest. Quite depressing really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Won’t top Ramsey until he wins a World Cup. But there’s certainly an argument for him being our second greatest. Quite depressing really! If he wins a WC then it won't be in England, so that should be more worthy of praise than what alf did. Home advantage was definitely a thing for Ramsey and the somewhat uneven arrangements this tournament have been even more in southgates favour. Winning away would just be a much greater feat given that it's really quite unusual, especially across continents. DarkFruitsRam7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Best England manager? Nobody can top big Sam, 100% win record. Fact. MickD, TigerTedd, maxjam and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Best England manager? Nobody can top big Sam, 100% win record. Fact. The thing is, that’s usually the kind of logic @MuespachRam adopts! Jourdan and EtoileSportiveDeDerby 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Won’t top Ramsey until he wins a World Cup. But there’s certainly an argument for him being our second greatest. Quite depressing really! So, until next winter then. DarkFruitsRam7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 14 hours ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Won’t top Ramsey until he wins a World Cup. But there’s certainly an argument for him being our second greatest. Quite depressing really! It says alot about some of the managers that have been allowed to be in charge of our national team. That and thinking the men in suits at the FA aren't the right people to carry out the selection process for any future England manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, 1of4 said: It says alot about some of the managers that have been allowed to be in charge of our national team. That and thinking the men in suits at the FA aren't the right people to carry out the selection process for any future England manager. The rest of the list: Sir Alf - the only winner Southgate - the only other head coach to reach 2 semis Robson - one of only 4 to reach a SF. Ahead of 4th due to also reaching a QF Venables - the 4th head coach to reach a SF Sven - 3 QFs, nothing worse, nothing better Winterbottom - 2 QFs Hodgson - 1 QF Hoddle - progressed from groups Hodgson - progressed from groups (just) Greenwood - qualified 2 out of 2 times Keegan - qualified 1 out of 1 times Taylor - qualified 1 out of 2 times Mac - Failed once Revie - Failed twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: The rest of the list: Sir Alf - the only winner Southgate - the only other head coach to reach 2 semis Robson - one of only 4 to reach a SF. Ahead of 4th due to also reaching a QF Venables - the 4th head coach to reach a SF Sven - 3 QFs, nothing worse, nothing better Winterbottom - 2 QFs Hodgson - 1 QF Hoddle - progressed from groups Hodgson - progressed from groups (just) Greenwood - qualified 2 out of 2 times Keegan - qualified 1 out of 1 times Taylor - qualified 1 out of 2 times Mac - Failed once Revie - Failed twice Nice to see revie sitting at the bottom of that list. FA could have had Clough, that one went well for them. uttoxram75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: The rest of the list: Sir Alf - the only winner Southgate - the only other head coach to reach 2 semis Robson - one of only 4 to reach a SF. Ahead of 4th due to also reaching a QF Venables - the 4th head coach to reach a SF Sven - 3 QFs, nothing worse, nothing better Winterbottom - 2 QFs Hodgson - 1 QF Hoddle - progressed from groups Hodgson - progressed from groups (just) Greenwood - qualified 2 out of 2 times Keegan - qualified 1 out of 1 times Taylor - qualified 1 out of 2 times Mac - Failed once Revie - Failed twice That one should have been Capello ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 19 hours ago, MuespachRam said: Ok then, he has won more knockout games than any other English manager in history…that one ok for you? These knockout games have a star against them and don’t count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: The rest of the list: Sir Alf - the only winner Southgate - the only other head coach to reach 2 semis Robson - one of only 4 to reach a SF. Ahead of 4th due to also reaching a QF Venables - the 4th head coach to reach a SF Sven - 3 QFs, nothing worse, nothing better Winterbottom - 2 QFs Hodgson - 1 QF Hoddle - progressed from groups Hodgson - progressed from groups (just) Greenwood - qualified 2 out of 2 times Keegan - qualified 1 out of 1 times Taylor - qualified 1 out of 2 times Mac - Failed once Revie - Failed twice Southgate. Reached 3 semi finals ( so far) hoddle won le tournoi.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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