The coronabrexit thread. I mean, coronavirus thread

[Wolfie]

35 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

As I am sure you are aware, I'm far from an expert in this field...but someone who works for the NHS said 3 is the magic number and it is the 3rd jab that will give you maximum protection from viruses.

You've quoted me but somehow managed to ignore my post.

The third jab gives maximum protection right now and agianst the new variant. That protection reduces over time and viruses mutate.

Do you think those who take the flu jab every year are being tricked into it?

[Archied]

59 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

Someone must be able to dig out some stats to show that beer and chips results in more infections than wine and scallops. And vice versa.

It’s been proven wine and cheeses gives by far the best protection 

[Bob The Badger]

1 hour ago, rammieib said:

Or we could decide not to fire 60,000 health workers who have made a decision not to take the vaccine which I completely respect is their right.

Or we could say to NHS staff they don’t need to isolate/not go to work if a close contact is positive, instead ask them to conduct a daily test before their shift?

For me it’s the quite ridiculous decisions by Government that cause the problems.

I'm not going to say I disagree with the Government having made decisions, but t his is an instance where the public could bail out the people they elected to power by not refusing to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

Nobody has been fired yet, and as I have said ion here many times, health workers already have to have certain jabs. My wife who is a Doctor of Nursing , had to have 5 as terms of her employment. Why is that any different?

I'd like to ask ANYBODY who thinks they shouldn't have to get vaccinated, does that mean you're ok with scrapping all mandatory vaccinations for health care workers?

 

[RoyMac5]

1 hour ago, ketteringram said:

 

That is of course baalocks. They do work but the efficaciousness wanes over time. If that was a joke it's not funny but is typiical of the mis-information being spread as facts.

[Bob The Badger]

2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Israel moving on to 4th jab aren't they, soon even the boosted won't be 'fully vaccinated'.

Tetanus jab wears off after (I think) about 5 years.

Shingles loses its effectiveness after about 10 years.

The flu jab only lasts a year.

They're not selling bus passes here, vaccines wear off, they're just trying to figure out the speed and how often is necessary to revaccinate. 

 

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

As I am sure you are aware, I'm far from an expert in this field...but someone who works for the NHS said 3 is the magic number and it is the 3rd jab that will give you maximum protection from viruses.

And I'm far from an expert too (which is why I listen to experts).

But as I posted in here a few days ago, in my wife's department (colorectal oncology) they started giving a 2nd booster (4th jab) to the most vulnerable patients a few weeks ago because there is evidence that it continues to boost immunity incrementally. 

That each jab isn't to replace the previous one, it's to build upon it.

Ask @Archied I'm sure he'll tell you that when you're building a wall, placing one brick on top of another doesn't necessarily means the first brick failed. 

[Bob The Badger]

[Archied]

22 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

I'm not going to say I disagree with the Government having made decisions, but t his is an instance where the public could bail out the people they elected to power by not refusing to wear a mask or get vaccinated.

Nobody has been fired yet, and as I have said ion here many times, health workers already have to have certain jabs. My wife who is a Doctor of Nursing , had to have 5 as terms of her employment. Why is that any different?

I'd like to ask ANYBODY who thinks they shouldn't have to get vaccinated, does that mean you're ok with scrapping all mandatory vaccinations for health care workers?

 

Did your wife make a decision to follow that career path knowing she would have to accept those vaccines ? The sensible work around may be making these covid vaccines mandatory for new entrants into the profession with sensible testing regimes for those already in post who don’t want this NEW vaccine that they may feel they don’t need and is a needless risk ?

im just a lowly Leadworker but even I can see there is going to be a need for some work around s to avert problems of our own makings ,, the government and media keep going off on extreme s without thought and painting themselves into a corner,

you may want to put those who don’t want the vaccine out of work for all the right motives but sometimes things you think will help actually do more harm than good 

Edited December 22, 2021 by Archied

[Bob The Badger]

1 hour ago, maxjam said:

So whats the alternative then?

Covid will continue to mutate, more than likely requiring a yearly booster as we have for flu.  The vaccine doesn't stop you from catching it or transmitting it therefore we are always going to suffer from 'pingdemic'.

At what point do we just agree that we vaccinate to protect ourselves and allow the asymptomatic and those with a sniffle to carry on working as we did pre-covid?

We could hit 100% vaccine coverage and give out 100% boosters every single year but this is not going away now - under current guidelines that means living under the threat of the Govt imposing restrictions every winter and the NHS (and the country at large) grinding to a standstill every year.

Sadly, the best alternative has been and gone to a large extent with people, worldwide, not just here, refusing to get vaccinated or wear masks.

Now, according to experts the alternative/advice, is to continue to wear a mask, continue to social distance, get vaccinated if you haven't etc.

I'm not calling for a lockdown, nor am I saying we shouldn't have a lockdown.

I'm just saying we should listen to the scientists and people on the cutting edge who know what the duck is really happening.

I do think medical staff need to shut up whining and get vaccinated though. Although I suspect from anecdotal evidence that of those 60k who are supposedly refusing (just quoting another poster) I doubt many are doctors or nurses.

You can barely move on Tik Tok and Twitter for medical professionals saying get vaccinated or trying to explain how bad it is yet I haven't seen anybody remotely credible saying the opposite. 

[Bob The Badger]

2 minutes ago, Archied said:

Did your wife make a decision to follow that career path knowing she would have to accept those vaccines ? The sensible work around may be making these covid vaccines mandatory for new entrants into the profession with sensible testing regimes for those already in post who don’t want this NEW vaccine that they may feel they don’t need and is a needless risk ?

PMSL!

I can just imagine all the doctors and nurses saying, 'well I signed up for this job knowing I 'd need a flu jab and hep B and tetanus and MMR, but I never knew they'd add another one. I want my Uni money back I'm not having that!' 

I wonder if anybody ever decides to be a doctor and nurse, but then thinks they'd better check what vaccines they'll need first and then changes their mind.

[Archied]

3 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

PMSL!

I can just imagine all the doctors and nurses saying, 'well I signed up for this job knowing I 'd need a flu jab and hep B and tetanus and MMR, but I never knew they'd add another one. I want my Uni money back I'm not having that!' 

I wonder if anybody ever decides to be a doctor and nurse, but then thinks they'd better check what vaccines they'll need first and then changes their mind.

PMSL ? I don’t do all this alphabet stew stuff

[maxjam]

16 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

Sadly, the best alternative has been and gone to a large extent with people, worldwide, not just here, refusing to get vaccinated or wear masks.

Now, according to experts the alternative/advice, is to continue to wear a mask, continue to social distance, get vaccinated if you haven't etc.

I'm not calling for a lockdown, nor am I saying we shouldn't have a lockdown.

I'm just saying we should listen to the scientists and people on the cutting edge who know what the duck is really happening.

I do think medical staff need to shut up whining and get vaccinated though. Although I suspect from anecdotal evidence that of those 60k who are supposedly refusing (just quoting another poster) I doubt many are doctors or nurses.

You can barely move on Tik Tok and Twitter for medical professionals saying get vaccinated or trying to explain how bad it is yet I haven't seen anybody remotely credible saying the opposite. 

TBH I'd disagree with a lot of that - and there are a lot of credible scientists and Doctors that would too.  But I've had that debate on here enough, I cba anymore.

My point was that until we accept that we take a vaccine to keep ourselves safe, we will not get out of the situation we are in.  Every new 'variant of concern' that pops up - and we're at 1/yr atm with Delta and Omnicron will mean the media overreact, Sage will produce doomsday scenarios, the Govt will bring in restrictions, pingdemic will bring the country to a standstill and a percentage of a scared populous will scream 'more, more, more'.

Sajid Javid recently said that the reason South Africa aren't being badly affected re. omicron was due to their low vaccine takeup/high delta infections - or acquired natural immunity.  At some point we have to understand that we literally can't save everyone and we are going to have to live with it - which means no more restrictions, vaccine passports and getting on with work/life. 

Keep yourself save, have a vaccine and live life.

[sawley_ram]

My two pence on the whole pandemic has been (for the past year now) that our reaction to Covid is worse than Covid itself.

I lost two relatives prematurely to cancer last year because their cancer treatment was stopped for too long. They were 58 and 73, both mothers. We don't know the true number of people 'killed by Covid' because the metric is so vague, and we'll certainly never even have a guess at how many died from missed treatments and operations. Deaths are certainly above average, but that's because it's new. The flu kills tens of thousands and sadly the suffering is much the same. My 95-year-old Grandmother had Covid last year and survived it with no symptoms, passing away earlier this year due to frailty of old age. She was a very sociable woman but the last year of her life was spent distanced from family, even after a year of living with and learning from this seasonal virus. I will never forget being crouched down by her death bed, wearing gloves, a mask, an apron and having to have the door wide open and her asking why it had to be like this. The loneliness and distress from not seeing her own family is what killed her. 

As it happens today is my first day post-isolation, as I caught Covid at a works' Christmas party a few weeks ago. My symptoms were very mild but because I was positive, I had to become economically inactive for 10 days and stay at home, as did most of the team. As a result of this we now have a backlog of around 1000 patients whose tissue samples are awaiting analysis -- some of those eventual diagnoses will determine cancer and these will be late diagnoses. My fiancee is a District Nurse and although she had no symptoms, she too had to stay at home and an already stretched NHS Trust suffered even more.

There's no denying the virus is real, just like other seasonal viruses, but we will never, ever, ever defeat it because it will continue to mutate, just like all the other seasonal viruses! We cannot continue to endure a never-ending cycle of shutting down and restarting sections of society. 

[Bob The Badger]

38 minutes ago, sawley_ram said:

My two pence on the whole pandemic has been (for the past year now) that our reaction to Covid is worse than Covid itself.

I lost two relatives prematurely to cancer last year because their cancer treatment was stopped for too long. They were 58 and 73, both mothers. We don't know the true number of people 'killed by Covid' because the metric is so vague, and we'll certainly never even have a guess at how many died from missed treatments and operations. Deaths are certainly above average, but that's because it's new. The flu kills tens of thousands and sadly the suffering is much the same. My 95-year-old Grandmother had Covid last year and survived it with no symptoms, passing away earlier this year due to frailty of old age. She was a very sociable woman but the last year of her life was spent distanced from family, even after a year of living with and learning from this seasonal virus. I will never forget being crouched down by her death bed, wearing gloves, a mask, an apron and having to have the door wide open and her asking why it had to be like this. The loneliness and distress from not seeing her own family is what killed her. 

As it happens today is my first day post-isolation, as I caught Covid at a works' Christmas party a few weeks ago. My symptoms were very mild but because I was positive, I had to become economically inactive for 10 days and stay at home, as did most of the team. As a result of this we now have a backlog of around 1000 patients whose tissue samples are awaiting analysis -- some of those eventual diagnoses will determine cancer and these will be late diagnoses. My fiancee is a District Nurse and although she had no symptoms, she too had to stay at home and an already stretched NHS Trust suffered even more.

There's no denying the virus is real, just like other seasonal viruses, but we will never, ever, ever defeat it because it will continue to mutate, just like all the other seasonal viruses! We cannot continue to endure a never-ending cycle of shutting down and restarting sections of society. 

I'm sorry you had to go through that. My wife didn't get to say goodbye to her dad after we moved continents to be with him because we were stuck in quarantine after flying home. He went into a coma 2-days before we could drive down to Cornwall. That was cancer too.

But the flu analogy is so off the mark.

The flu almost disappeared last winter because of social distancing and mask wearing.

But those same measures struggled to contain Covid.

The flu is way easier to contain and it's not as deadly either.

I agree we will have to live with it, it's not about beating it any more (even if it once was before much was known about how ducking devious it is), it's about not allowing it to make the situation that we both went through even more common.

I just heard a doctor interviewed by Naga Munchetty and he said he's given up writing a rota because he has so many staff off ill and has just sent out a message, if you can come to work, come to work.

That can get much worse because omicron is clearly a lot more contagious. Or at least people on the cutting edge think it can.

I think there are different arguments going on here and I think the Government have done a shocking job of getting the message out.

 

 

[QuitYourJibbaJivin]

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by QuitYourJibbaJivin

[GboroRam]

Heard on the radio that Covid is like Sex and the City. 

When you think it's finally finished for good it comes back worse than ever. 

[Ram-Alf]

20 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Heard on the radio that Covid is like Sex and the City. 

When you think it's finally finished for good it comes back worse than ever. 

Shouldn't this be a new thread...worse Sitcoms ever?

[Gone]

6 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

Shouldn't this be a new thread...worse Sitcoms ever?

No point it’d be he forums shortest ever thread, its Mrs Browns Boys ?

[sawley_ram]

39 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

But the flu analogy is so off the mark.

The flu almost disappeared last winter because of social distancing and mask wearing.

But those same measures struggled to contain Covid.

The flu is way easier to contain and it's not as deadly either.

Granted, I'm not a scientist! My view is based only on what I hear from the other half and other nurses I know at a couple of different local trusts, who have dealt first hand with both viruses during end of life care. Flu and Covid deaths are both awful, but thankfully with very low mortality rates. Totally respect other views -- just wanted to share mine.

Omicron is more contagious, but so far doesn't seem particularly deadly does it? Case numbers aren't important (charge a fiver a test and the figures will plummet) and death figures aren't reliable, so I'll be watching the admissions (the only metric that matters). It's - so far - much quieter than last year at the Derby Royal and QMC. Let's see what happens, and hope that it doesn't result in busy ICUs.

[Rev]

29 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

No point it’d be he forums shortest ever thread, its Mrs Browns Boys ?

No messing around there, fella. 

Not even a bit of Citizen Khan foreplay first!

[Gone]

29 minutes ago, Rev said:

No messing around there, fella. 

Not even a bit of Citizen Khan foreplay first!

A close 2nd, by close I mean 8 billion light years close (but yep that’s poo as well)