StarterForTen Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Far too early for an outcome on this yet. It needs to be much closer to the end of the season so as the EFL know how many points to dock in order to relegate us. On current Rooney-revival trajectory that might be about 25 points!! TigerTedd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) From what the athletic wrote the efl have had there pants pulled down a few times since and Middlesbrough. They have tried to join the appeal twice and told no and the efl wanted to get more evidence and told no because they say there legal team were basically crap. So they’ve got to debate on what they currently have and that’s duck all from what I read Edited February 24, 2021 by Barney1991 Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Efl dont have a leg to stand on and they know and if I was mel I would sue gibson and efl. Gritstone Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 43 minutes ago, Rab a dab doo said: Anything' MORE' than fine. The way our finance's are at the moment even that's a big thing. Any way, why even a fine if we haven't actually been proven to have done anything thing wrong? I interpret it as a worse case scenario of it being a fine, but most likely scenario still being no punishment. Given the facts of the case, I would personally put the chances at 99% vs 1% in favour of no punishment as all. Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: From what the athletic wrote the efl have had there pants pulled down a few times since and Middlesbrough. They have tried to join the appeal twice and told no and the efl wanted to get more evidence and told no because they say there legal team were basically crap. So they’ve got to debate on what they currently have and that’s duck all from what I read Well the rules of appeal do state new evidence can't be submitted. It certainly comes across as the EFL based their entire appeal based on submitting new evidence. Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 No way will we get a points deduction, a polite warning to future conduct at worst... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: No way will we get a points deduction, a polite warning to future conduct at worst... They cant punish us because we done nothing wrong and efl and gibson just spitting dummy out again. Jimbo Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 They wont punish us for this but if we break P&S at any stage they will be all over us. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckram Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, StarterForTen said: Far too early for an outcome on this yet. It needs to be much closer to the end of the season so as the EFL know how many points to dock in order to relegate us. On current Rooney-revival trajectory that might be about 25 points!! After 25th March any points deductions can’t be applied to this season. Assuming that would be the case with this, unless due to it relating to something from a while back they can somehow break that rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, B4ev6is said: Efl dont have a leg to stand on and they know and if I was mel I would sue gibson and efl. What the EFL is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mckram said: After 25th March any points deductions can’t be applied to this season. Assuming that would be the case with this, unless due to it relating to something from a while back they can somehow break that rule. We do want them off next season kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 08/01/2021 at 15:09, rynny said: I read all 123 pages when it was released and have just read the last 23 (the 2nd charge) we didn't have an "expert" as the EFL did. We had giving evidence on our behalf; Andrew Delve. Mr Delve was (until 2016) Managing Partner and (until 2018) Group Chairman of Smith Cooper, a firm of accountants and auditors. His evidence related to the adoption, implementation and operation of the Club’s approach to amortisation of the capitalised costs of player registrations. 28) Before we leave this section, we record that the Club did not serve a report from or call evidence from an expert accountant, despite having been granted permission to do so on 13 February 2020. It took the decision not to call any such expert evidence having seen the factual evidence served by the EFL, and it stood by that decision even after the EFL served Professor Pope’s report. This is what the panel said on their expert. while we have no doubt that Professor Pope was at all times giving his genuinely-held opinion on the issues that he was asked to address, it became clear in his cross-examination that he was unfamiliar with the role and duties of an individual in his position tasked with giving advisedexpert to a Disciplinary Commission or other tribunal. By way of example, he was unaware that (1) where a range of views existed on an issue on which he was opining, and (2) there were views in that range that differed from his own, his duties required him to recognise that. While we ultimately concluded that that did not materially impact the substance of his evidence in any adverse way, experts instructed to prepare a report for the purpose of disciplinary charges or to give evidence before a Disciplinary Commission must take care to familiarise themselves with their duties, and to ensure that they take the steps necessary to comply with those duties. *all wording in italics is taken directly from the released document from the panel's decision. Well done rynny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, B4ev6is said: They cant punish us because we done nothing wrong and efl and gibson just spitting dummy out again. that's disturbed me because saying Gibson has spat his dummy out has me realise he looks just like one of those blokes that pay women to burp him when he has a big man size nappy on. And by women, I mean warnock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckoBeast Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Rampage said: We do want them off next season Why are we getting a points deduction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, BuckoBeast said: Why are we getting a points deduction? Not saying that we are but we need a clean slate next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) The whole thing is a woeful and rather pathetic attempt to save face. Were there any substance to their appeal, this would have been resolved months back. Yet another example of the wholly impotent and unfit for purpose nature of a body completely out of touch with those it purports to serve. The EFL are like that kid at school who picks a fight with you, gets flattened then shouts insults at you when you walked halfway down the street and the fight is all over. Or.... Edited February 24, 2021 by 86 Hair Islands Premier ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckram Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Rampage said: We do want them off next season Assuming you mean don’t? I can’t see one either way. I think the EFL are just trying to save face with the appeal and probably don’t expect to be successful. After all, it’s not their money they’re burning in lawyer fees but every other club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mckram said: Assuming you mean don’t? I can’t see one either way. I think the EFL are just trying to save face with the appeal and probably don’t expect to be successful. After all, it’s not their money they’re burning in lawyer fees but every other club! Correct. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 24/02/2021 at 17:15, B4ev6is said: They cant punish us because we done nothing wrong and efl and gibson just spitting dummy out again. B4 I think you’re ignoring the facts. we were found ‘guilty as charged’ of preparing accounts that don’t reflect the accounting profession’s requirements. the Tribunal did us a massive favour: they did not state that the accounts were contrary to the companies act. Instead, they found ‘only’ that we contravened the accounting standards the reason that does us a massive favour is this: if your accounts don’t reflect companies act requirements, that is a clear breach of the EFL’s rules. (I would guess it’s also a criminal offence but not sure) This matters because we know there are people at and around the EFL who think we deserve it in the neck for all this. The EFL can give it to us in the neck if it gets a judgement that says we breached the companies act, because they can then justifiably say: - you are in breach of our rules and the companies act by not sufficiently disclosing the change in amortisation policy - we think you did it deliberately, so that we would not notice/challenge the change in policy. That could in their minds justify a hefty sanction and there may be EFl precedent to support that @therealhantsramhas told us the scope of the appeal was debated in November. If the EFl were really gunning for us they would want a ruling on appeal that says that our accounts breached the companies act. The problem is they (probably) can’t get this. They can’t get it because the part of the judgement they want to appeal was one on which they succeeded (but in a limited way): if you get a ruling in your favour, you can’t appeal it. (That’s why I think the Tribunal did us a massive favour ) incidentally, you’d expect the Sheikh’s team to have been in the loop on all of this in Nov and beyond. It may have been a factor in the mess that the takeover has become, we will never know (but fans continue to say the Sheikh is a charlatan!). Ironically, this is all a bit personal between MM and the EFL, so we’d maybe get an easier ride if he sells. But this festering sore does not help him do that therealhantsram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 24/02/2021 at 16:13, B4ev6is said: Efl dont have a leg to stand on and they know and if I was mel I would sue gibson and efl. What would you sue for and you think spending another £100k on lawyers fee's is good use of our money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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