rammieib Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Norwichram2 said: Am I missing something? I thought Sibley iis back in training and potentially available for Florist game? If so pair him with Knight with Shinnie as holding mid. We do want to win.... Cocu wouldn't have the balls to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, RamNut said: Dunno. Jim Smith used this system and produced some great games. Right now we’ve gone from conceding 8 in 3 games to 2 in 3 games so it seems to have worked. Please tell me you're not measuring success by trying to stop the opposition scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I think the key to unlock the forest game will be spell and skill but I would be tempted to play waghorn and Lawrence up front together or Richard's with eathier of those two and then offering as number 10 would be eathier selby or knight driving forward linking up the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: I think the key to unlock the forest game will be speed and skill but I would be tempted to play waghorn and Lawrence up front together or Richard's with eathier of those two and then offering as number 10 would be eathier selby or knight driving forward linking up the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Marshall Byrne Davies Clarke Buchanan Shinnie Holmes Knight Jozwiak Waghorn Lawrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I think it's best to assume waghorn will only be fit for the bench. I expect a very similar line up to the Huddersfield match, hopefully Lawrence lasting longer and shinnie not being pulled off because matches like this need a bit of crunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramdale Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Marshall Byrne Wisdom Clarke Forsyth Knight Shinnie Waghorn Lawrence Jozwiak Kazim-Richards Subs: Bird, Holmes, Davies, Buchanan, Roos, Ibe, Whittaker Harsh on Davies, but we have to go back to a back 4 and get another attacker on the pitch. Davies will get exposed in a back 4 for me and Wisdom & Clarke formed a great partnership last season before the attack on Wisdom. I know people will say Waghorn & Kazim-Richards might not be 100% ready to start, but we simply have no choice. This game is make or break for Cocu and these guys have to play. Likewise with Ibe...time to get him involved off the bench. He has been training 3/4 weeks now, he has to be ready. Bielik is the only one I wouldn't risk yet, due to the severity of the injury he is coming off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajstrawb Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Whatever happens, just back to 4 at the back please Phil ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 If Sibley is fit..... Shinnie ahead of Bird, to look after Freeman lawrence, jozwiak and Waghorn to switch. Evans ahead of wisdom - just. Wisdom played well v Huddersfield but maybe kept pushing up a bit to much, leaving space behind? Caught out for a goal and a minute before when Davies had to cover. we have to find a way to get Sibley and knight playing together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4derby Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 9 hours ago, RamNut said: Dunno. Jim Smith used this system and produced some great games. Right now we’ve gone from conceding 8 in 3 games to 2 in 3 games so it seems to have worked. I agree the new formation and system seem to work with regards to our defensive performances. Keeping teams at bay, especially Norwich and Watford. The issue is how we are playing. We are too cautious. The whole point of having 3 CB’s is so your attacking players can have slightly more freedom. We look scared of pushing too many forward. Mental side of the game so important! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, r4derby said: I agree the new formation and system seem to work with regards to our defensive performances. Keeping teams at bay, especially Norwich and Watford. The issue is how we are playing. We are too cautious. The whole point of having 3 CB’s is so your attacking players can have slightly more freedom. We look scared of pushing too many forward. Mental side of the game so important! I didn't think that was the case on Tuesday, Wisdom regularly got forward, Clarke got forward as well. 3 of our best 4 chances from open play fell to Wisdom, Byrne and Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spireramsfan Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Perhaps a left field thought here but why not give Duncan a try up front. For me he certainly has the attitude Im looking for, seems up for it. Om hes young, but so was Rooney when he debuted, and look where that went. Duncan seems keen, give him a go, cant do any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, r4derby said: I agree the new formation and system seem to work with regards to our defensive performances. Keeping teams at bay, especially Norwich and Watford. The issue is how we are playing. We are too cautious. The whole point of having 3 CB’s is so your attacking players can have slightly more freedom. We look scared of pushing too many forward. Mental side of the game so important! It’s tough because heads go down if we concede, so overloading the defence has at least kept us in the game. however....3 central defenders v 1 striker? the upside is the ability of the wing backs to push up, but neither delivers a great final ball, so what’s the point? It made sense when he had no forwards, but we do have now. So let’s get them on the pitch. the tipping point for me is I want to see Sibley and knight in the same 11. Knight can always drop deeper if we need to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, spireramsfan said: Perhaps a left field thought here but why not give Duncan a try up front. For me he certainly has the attitude Im looking for, seems up for it. Om hes young, but so was Rooney when he debuted, and look where that went. Duncan seems keen, give him a go, cant do any worse. I like his attitude too. in the videos he looks hungry to score. I’d like to see him on the bench. I don’t quite get the idea that these young players are so totally out of condition that they can’t feature at all. They’ll get pissed off if they’re not involved. Lawrence, Waghorn And jozwiak for 70 minutes, then Whittaker, Duncan and Ibe. have faith in these young players. I can’t see any point in playing the 34-35 year olds ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, spireramsfan said: Perhaps a left field thought here but why not give Duncan a try up front. For me he certainly has the attitude Im looking for, seems up for it. Om hes young, but so was Rooney when he debuted, and look where that went. Duncan seems keen, give him a go, cant do any worse. Needs time to build up his match fitness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, RamNut said: If Sibley is fit..... Shinnie ahead of Bird, to look after Freeman lawrence, jozwiak and Waghorn to switch. Evans ahead of wisdom - just. Wisdom played well v Huddersfield but maybe kept pushing up a bit to much, leaving space behind? Caught out for a goal and a minute before when Davies had to cover. we have to find a way to get Sibley and knight playing together. Sibley is out until at least November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, RamNut said: I like his attitude too. in the videos he looks hungry to score. I’d like to see him on the bench. I don’t quite get the idea that these young players are so totally out of condition that they can’t feature at all. They’ll get pissed off if they’re not involved. Lawrence, Waghorn And jozwiak for 70 minutes, then Whittaker, Duncan and Ibe. have faith in these young players. I can’t see any point in playing the 34-35 year olds ahead of them. I am more surprised we aren't taking that chance on Jahmal Hector-Ingram, who is match fit. He looked dangerous in the only significant sub's appearance he has made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, angieram said: I am more surprised we aren't taking that chance on Jahmal Hector-Ingram, who is match fit. He looked dangerous in the only significant sub's appearance he has made. If I was him I'd be asking to leave. We've been desperate for a striker now for what seems like a year at this point, and even when there is literally nobody else, Cocu played 2 wingers up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 51 minutes ago, Srg said: If I was him I'd be asking to leave. We've been desperate for a striker now for what seems like a year at this point, and even when there is literally nobody else, Cocu played 2 wingers up front. Just my opinion so don't shoot me down............I don't think JHL is the answer. I watched him in most of his U23 games. Yes he scored a few including a lot of soft penalties in a very good U23 side but generally he contributed very little. I don't think he is robust enough mentally for a higher level of football from what I observed. To me he desperately needs a loan in league 2 to see if he can cope at that level. If I was manager in PC place I wouldn't play him currently either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I don’t think they’ve let anyone down Knight is 100% risk free. sibley got played too high up the pitch. We are not exactly overly blessed with central midfielders. Who is better than the angry Will Hughes? I can’t think of anyone. bird or shinnie - very different types of players. Depends on whether we need a monkey wrench or a screwdriver. I advocate building the team around bird, sibley and knight, but sometimes we need shinnies industry, whittaker has had recognition for his brief contribution. Could yet score a spectacular goal before too long. JHI has only had 36 minutes. Suffers because Rooney plays the same position. Buchanan - has done well. Preferred to Fozzy. duncan - good enough to play 23 minutes for England, so why not for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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