RamontheMoor Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, EraniosSocks said: 1-1 I reckon mate I'd take a draw ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 sheff weds have a 12 point deduction for next season but still expecting us to get nothing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Filing the accounts in the wrong year.... yeah this was always coming for them, they’ll go down as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Not at all surprised they have the penalty, but I am surprised they’ve decided it will apply next season. Can’t see Charlton and potentially Barnsley being happy with that (depending on the Wigan verdict). Make sense to some degree as there was talk about having enough time to make up the points being taken away. To be honest, I’m more concerned than ever that we’ll have some form of punishment. This one for Wednesday seems to be a case of ‘failed P&S but did so unknowingly’ - similar to us. I don’t think we exceeded limits too badly so we may be slightly lucky even in a worst case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: This one for Wednesday seems to be a case of ‘failed P&S but did so unknowingly’ They "acidentally" backdated the stadium sale then did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Not at all surprised they have the penalty, but I am surprised they’ve decided it will apply next season. Can’t see Charlton and potentially Barnsley being happy with that (depending on the Wigan verdict). Make sense to some degree as there was talk about having enough time to make up the points being taken away. To be honest, I’m more concerned than ever that we’ll have some form of punishment. This one for Wednesday seems to be a case of ‘failed P&S but did so unknowingly’ - similar to us. I don’t think we exceeded limits too badly so we may be slightly lucky even in a worst case scenario. Have we also been "wilfully concealing information " which seemed to be a further finding that wpuld not go down well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 59 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Not at all surprised they have the penalty, but I am surprised they’ve decided it will apply next season. Can’t see Charlton and potentially Barnsley being happy with that (depending on the Wigan verdict). Make sense to some degree as there was talk about having enough time to make up the points being taken away. To be honest, I’m more concerned than ever that we’ll have some form of punishment. This one for Wednesday seems to be a case of ‘failed P&S but did so unknowingly’ - similar to us. I don’t think we exceeded limits too badly so we may be slightly lucky even in a worst case scenario. For me, selling the stadium and include it to wrong season's accounts sounds very much deliberate. At least we are not charged for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Why next year and not this if Wigan is this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: Why next year and not this if Wigan is this year? Because Wigan went into administration which is an automatic 12 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Why next year and not this if Wigan is this year? They're taking their punishment even farther removed from the crime. Do it this season or not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 We'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: We'll be fined. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckram Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Why next year and not this if Wigan is this year? I think Wednesday can appeal and probably will, which will take it in to next season. Wigan’s is a guaranteed 12 points as they went in to administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Ok so what Wednesday did was blatantly wrong .... what did we do again?? sold an asset of the club to a willing buyer that paid a certified market rate (also after consultation and adjustment from the EFL themselves) im amazed this is still actually a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Make sense to some degree as there was talk about having enough time to make up the points being taken away. Surely you can't expect a punishment to be meted out to suit a clubs individual circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Not for the first time the EFL are making idiots of themselves. If you apply -12 points to Sheff Wed this season then they come bottom and Charlton stay up. Why wouldn’t you do that given that the season doesn’t -according to the EFL - finish until the play off final is over and final positions are agreed? One answer for the conspiracy theorists, is that they dislike Charlton even more, because of their ownership issues. If Sheff Wed stay up next season despite the -12 start, as they could well do, what nonsense does that make of the league and its S and P rules. Ditto for us. The whole thing is a complete and utter mess, largely of the EFL's own making. If Wigan win their case, or appeal it, it becomes even messier, at a time when there is only a few weeks between seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: To be honest, I’m more concerned than ever that we’ll have some form of punishment. This one for Wednesday seems to be a case of ‘failed P&S but did so unknowingly’ - similar to us. I don’t think we exceeded limits too badly so we may be slightly lucky even in a worst case scenario. How can they unknowingly extend their year end to include profits from the sale of their stadium?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAccessMemory Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Interesting. I note the EFL statement says that it's for putting the sale in the 2017/18 accounts. Does anyone know how much they would have gone over the £39m limit without the sale? Without the written decision being published I'm guessing that the 12 point deduction is for that amount, as the sale was the only thing that stopped that happening in the first place. From the EFL sliding scale included in the Birmingham decision from last March, 12 points with no deduction would be £15m+ over for the period 2015/16 - 2017/18. I wonder, although they also said they had written permission from the EFL, whether that permission didn't specifically include putting the sale in that set of accounts, hence the guilty verdict. Their initial statement about the charges was quite vague on that compared to ours which set everything out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckram Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: How can they unknowingly extend their year end to include profits from the sale of their stadium?! Exactly, they did it to comply with FFP and in my opinion they know what they did. I’ve not looked in to the details of their accounts but I’d bet that if you took the stadium sale out then their 3 year running losses would have breached FFP and they knew this so did whatever they could to fix it. Seems what we did is exactly the same, but actually planned ahead and reported it correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAccessMemory Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, ilkleyram said: Not for the first time the EFL are making idiots of themselves. If you apply -12 points to Sheff Wed this season then they come bottom and Charlton stay up. Why wouldn’t you do that given that the season doesn’t -according to the EFL - finish until the play off final is over and final positions are agreed? One answer for the conspiracy theorists, is that they dislike Charlton even more, because of their ownership issues. If Sheff Wed stay up next season despite the -12 start, as they could well do, what nonsense does that make of the league and its S and P rules. Ditto for us. The whole thing is a complete and utter mess, largely of the EFL's own making. If Wigan win their case, or appeal it, it becomes even messier, at a time when there is only a few weeks between seasons. As much as I dislike the EFL, it would have been the Independent Disciplinary Commissions decision to put their points deduction onto next season. Although, without a written decision, we don't know what punishment the EFL asked for or what they asked the Commission to take into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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