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18 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

That's presumably inadvertent, but hilarious!

Just for the misguided that word has numerous meanings. Not just a bumbling American Leader 

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Shuff264

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As others have rightfully pointed out deaths and hospitalisations are now catching up with cases.

The case by specimen graph is interesting, it looked to be levelling off and possibly falling - apart from 12th October which is already almost as high. Difficult to say which is the anomaly.

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I suppose we will have to wait ad see what the next couple of days brings, at some point you have to feel the infections in the North West will slow simply due to the number of people already infected - this is an interesting look at Herd Immunity via infection.

At a local level, Nottingham is still doing bad but seems to have levelled off a bit - its yet to cross the 1000 cases per 100k over 7 days.

Derby itself may be levelling off or it could be a reporting delay.

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ariotofmyown

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35 minutes ago, Carnero said:

It may have led to some earlier deaths this year but over time this will likely even out. We should wait and see if we're lower than expected deaths over the next few years before making any proper conclusions. Or we could keep looking at tiny snapshots of data that fit with our agenda?

If a 1million died, there would still be people going "but deaths will be down in the following year. And only x% of the deaths were under y age".

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Just a question of curiosity - we talk a lot about False Positives, indeed even we've seen multiple cases of this in recent days (I think Shaqiri at Liverpool had a FP recently and an Irish player) but in Qingdao they have just tested 9 million people and found zero cases. (I have spoken with a supplier based in Qingdao who has confirmed this).

So do they have a perfect test process, are the numbers dodgy (it is China afterall) or is something else happening?

I've also seen this week that there is a Vaccine that is being given out in China. It currently costs $90 but it is available. It has gone through Phase 3. I've asked my supplier for more detail on that if its publicly known about over there.

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1 hour ago, Albert said:

So, does the UK being significantly about expected deaths for the year mean that you think these numbers are problematic then? Or are you suggesting that Covid has only been significant if it has doubled the yearly deaths? 

Can someone check on @Albert ? This post is so uncharacteristically brief that I fear he may have been hospitalised before he finished it ?

PS - I hated Maths at school. What is a "log plot"?

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Eddie

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2 hours ago, Carnero said:

It may have led to some earlier deaths this year but over time this will likely even out. We should wait and see if we're lower than expected deaths over the next few years before making any proper conclusions. Or we could keep looking at tiny snapshots of data that fit with our agenda?

I presume, therefore, that you are in favour of compulsory (as opposed to voluntary) euthanasia, because you seem to be advocating culling the weak, old or infirm.

That sounds very close to eugenics to me.

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Uptherams

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2 hours ago, Carnero said:

It may have led to some earlier deaths this year but over time this will likely even out. We should wait and see if we're lower than expected deaths over the next few years before making any proper conclusions. Or we could keep looking at tiny snapshots of data that fit with our agenda?

Excluding Covid as a death, deaths are up on the 5 year average. Likely will be the same for the next few years. 

Our hysteria over Covid will be responsible for more deaths indirectly than Covid itself. 

Why don't these lives matter to some people? 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending11september2020#:~:text=The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in,average (505 deaths higher).

The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 11 September 2020 (Week 37) was 9,811; this was 2,072 deaths higher than in Week 36.

In Week 37, the number of deaths registered was 5.4% above the five-year average (505 deaths higher).

Of the deaths registered in Week 37, 99 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 1.0% of all deaths in England and Wales.

This is the second lowest number of deaths involving COVID-19 since Week 12; this is an increase of 21 deaths compared with Week 36 (26.9% increase).

The number of death registrations may have been affected by the August Bank holiday (31 August). This can cause delays in deaths being registered in Week 36, resulting in an increase in deaths being registered in Week 37.

 

So 505 excess deaths. Yet only 98 deaths were cited as Covid. So 407 excess deaths that were not directly caused by Covid. Only variable is Covid. So it's reasonable to say 407 deaths were caused due to the impact (hysteria) of Covid. 

 

 

 

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G STAR RAM

G STAR RAM

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10 minutes ago, jimmyp said:

The idea that we shouldn’t try and reduce preventable deaths. Kind of goes against everything civilised  humanity has be trying to achieve for the last century. 

Even when reducing preventable deaths from one cause, leads to a rises in deaths from other preventable causes?

Like others have said, the average age of the person dying from Covid is higher than the average age of deaths from all other causes. 

There is no need for anyone to die. I fully support the shielding of vulnerable people. This will have to be paid for though. 

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5 minutes ago, Uptherams said:

Excluding Covid as a death, deaths are up on the 5 year average. Likely will be the same for the next few years. 

Our hysteria over Covid will be responsible for more deaths indirectly than Covid itself. 

Why don't these lives matter to some people? 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending11september2020#:~:text=The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in,average (505 deaths higher).

The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 11 September 2020 (Week 37) was 9,811; this was 2,072 deaths higher than in Week 36.

In Week 37, the number of deaths registered was 5.4% above the five-year average (505 deaths higher).

Of the deaths registered in Week 37, 99 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 1.0% of all deaths in England and Wales.

This is the second lowest number of deaths involving COVID-19 since Week 12; this is an increase of 21 deaths compared with Week 36 (26.9% increase).

The number of death registrations may have been affected by the August Bank holiday (31 August). This can cause delays in deaths being registered in Week 36, resulting in an increase in deaths being registered in Week 37.

 

So 505 excess deaths. Yet only 98 deaths were cited as Covid. So 407 excess deaths that were not directly caused by Covid. Only variable is Covid. So it's reasonable to say 407 deaths were caused due to the impact (hysteria) of Covid. 

 

 

 

 

You don’t deal with the so called hysteria of Covid-19 by ignoring Covid-19. You can’t just close your eyes and make it go away.

You reduce Covid-19 hysteria by reducing Covid-19 cases, deaths and hospitalisations. 

 

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Uptherams

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1 minute ago, jimmyp said:

 

You don’t deal with the so called hysteria of Covid-19 by ignoring Covid-19. You can’t just close your eyes and make it go away.

You reduce Covid-19 hysteria by reducing Covid-19 cases, deaths and hospitalisations. 

 

You have no understanding of the ONS reports. None. 

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maxjam

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11 hours ago, Eddie said:

How many deaths are acceptable to you'?

100 a day obviously is - what about 200? 300? 500? 1000? Put a number on it.

Acceptable deaths?  Difficult to put a number on it.

But if you take into account the 1m mammogram appointments that have been cancelled, the 75% reduction in cancer referrals and the 26m missed Doctors appointments according to today's front pages;

https://news.sky.com/story/fridays-national-newspaper-front-pages-12105169

It has nothing to do with eugenics and more to do with trying to figure out what the best approach is to save the most lives. 

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