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  1. Honestly, the worst we've ever had. We're in a financial hole, and are down on assets, the club being in its weakest ever position. He gambled on the Premier League, but did so with the club's future, not his. It's also hard to be angry at the EFL when this is the ultimate outcome, and the entire point of all the rules and regulations is to help prevent these moments. I should add that, to be fair, I've never really been much of a fan of him, and felt that his tenure has been a chaotic mess from top to bottom, best seen through how we've dealt with managers. Let's hope that there is a light at the end of the tunnel to all of this. Ultimately, I think Mel has indeed gotten us out of the Championship, and for a long time. The issue was the direction.
  2. Realistically, if the referee were competent yesterday that would have been a convincing win. Bar a crazy 11 minutes of injury time against Peterborough, there's not a lot else to talk about on this.
  3. What a goal from Lawrence there.
  4. The point is that if you're not vaccinated, it's easier for you to be part of the chain that leads to harm to others. Being vaccinated, hence, reduces everyone else's risk. The same goes for all restrictions, as they are all reducing risk. You need to see it more as reducing risk of transmission, than it being about who specifically did the transmitting. If you are in a car accident, it is only the people in the cars that are injured, but with Covid, it keeps getting passed on; car accidents aren't infectious.
  5. As seen in the pandemic, it goes cases, hospitalisations, deaths. Cases had a bit of a downturn before fully opening up, and are now trending back up. Hospitalisations have flattened slightly, but are looking like climbing again. I hope I'm wrong, but it looks like the cycle is set to repeat. Mark McGowan isn't sold on the idea that NSW will actually keep their end of the bargain and crush the current outbreak. In that scenario, they really can't. Yep. NSW's situation, however, is entirely a result of government incompetence, trying to play politics with a virus, rather than following the lead of the rest of the country. It hurts, but it was entirely avoidable, hence why lockdowns etc tend to be so popular here. It will be interesting to see where this all ends up. The idea that universally there is this eroding of rights though is quite wide of the mark. NSW, which is run very poorly, and the closest aligned with the likes of the current UK government, are the ones doing all the things you're bringing up here though. The irony is they did most of these things to avoid having to do a full lockdown, trying to do a light touch one, then scaring people into cooperating, while having loose rules, LGA specific orders, etc. Organising and promoting illegal gathers, ie conspiring to break the lockdown rules, is illegal. There's always been a lag between cases and deaths, and their cases are climbing again. There are jobs that require vaccination even now in most countries. Seems perfectly reasonable, as long as there are provisions for genuine medical exceptions. It's interesting to suggest that these restrictions are good for governments. There's a reason most countries were super soft about them, and even in countries like Australia the cheapskates like NSW were reluctant to use them. Governments aren't gaining anything from them, they're expensive and tedious to run. I don't see them having any real use for them, at least in their current form, at the end of this. We already give the World enough personal information for far easier means of surveillance and control, if their aim was using such for authoritarianism, they wouldn't need to be using the kinds of systems they have now. There do exist people who can't get vaccines, for for whom they simply aren't effective. For that reason, getting a close to a fully vaccinated population as possible is important. It is interesting seeing people willing to pay for their 'freedom' with other people's lives though.
  6. They should be at the moment given the initial mood around opening up, and the messaging around it, but the overall measure of consumer confidence will be what follows this, particularly while hospital beds, etc, are filling again.
  7. The cost was our economy being one of the best performing globally. Bit of a weird article, that seems to lack an understanding for how Australia's political system actually functions. That's not really the topic of this thread though. I do like the idea of vaccine passports being seen as a thin end of the wedge for some kind of attack on democracy, given that vaccine requirements for travel, etc, existed long before the pandemic in many regions, etc.
  8. At some point shouldn't mean while 40% of your population remains vulnerable I wouldn't think. Ironically, of course, the whole point of Covid-zero is that we're really not living under much in the way of restrictions at all. The UK, on the other hand, is 'out of restrictions', but consumer confidence, etc, will take a hit for years to come, particularly given cases, hospitalisations, and deaths are climbing again sadly. Honestly, a similar number of people in many countries are voting that way even now. It wasn't a vote for an oppressively regime though, it was a vote for an ideological group. People aren't being oppressed by asking for restrictions, it is they themselves putting them there. Oppression is where it is being done to control the population, as opposed to being done by the population to fight a common foe. I do find it funny that the Murdoch propaganda machine is so wedded to this narrative though. The polls, etc, don't back that position. Every society has fringe elements, but on the ground, and through the polls, it damn clear that Covid-zero has broad wide reaching support here. ...and yes, I would argue that people who march the streets claiming that lockdowns, vaccines, etc don't work, while waving Q Anon flags, etc, are nutters. I would argue that people who literally try to pick fights with police horses are nutters. I would argue that people, committing crimes on cameras, but out of spite are not wearing face coverings, likely the only time in their lives they'd do such a thing without one, are nutters. No military here. The point in NSW is that the defense forces are assisting the police etc. It's not armed military forces marching the streets. Yes, committing crimes gets you arrested. Funny that. The larger fines, etc, have broad support, as again, people aren't fans of selfish actions. Societies bring in such laws, as societies make decisions about how they are governed. It's hardly complicated. Imagine people questioning other laws by similar arguments. "Watch this video of police arresting a mother in front of her children just for driving a stolen car?! WHAT IS SOCIETY COMING TO?!" It's like how the then American president was seemingly gleeful discussing the news of New Zealand's Covid-free run breaking last year, basically discussing it like their Covid-zero days were over. They were wrong, of course, but it's an interesting attitude. ...mostly because the UK just kept letting it burn through. Per capita, the Victorian outbreak was the equivalent of about 6000 per day in the UK, which the UK has been under many times since the first wave. The UK could have gone down the same road, it chose not to.
  9. We have had some fairly sizeable outbreaks actually. The difference was that we stuck to this approach, rather than chickening out and sacrificing people instead.
  10. The point with Australia's approach is that you can open up once people are vaccinated, which will suppress spread without the need of broad lockdowns, etc. Interesting to talk about '100s of deaths' given the UK is running at over 1000 in less than 2 weeks. The longterm picture is still developing, but again, the aim is to control the disease for the the time being, get everyone vaccinated, then move away from using lockdowns, etc. They didn't actually. They were a minority party that seized further power through taking advantage of existing emergency powers. Their worst actions were not directly supported by people either, while the whole point is that our approach is vastly popular, so much so that a government against the strategy has been forced into it after they messed up trying to go the UK way. There are always nutters in every country. The lockdown protests are broadly unpopular in Australia. People are broadly in favour of fines etc, as most hate that selfish actions of a few can ruin it for everyone.
  11. Covid zero requires minimal restrictions most of the time. For example, I've been in lockdown for 10 days in the last year. The economy didn't need to stop, and consumer confidence is high overall. You don't have to worry about catching Covid when going out if it's not there in the first place.
  12. The UK is at around 60% fully vaccinated right now. Also, the point is that at 80%+, we can control outbreaks without the need for lockdowns. That starts from the assumption that current outbreaks are under control at that point. The UK isn't in such a position. It's not about zero deaths necessarily, it's about cases creating more cases. When you allow some, you get more, so the Covid zero approach protects lives and livelihoods at the same time. Authoritarian implies that it's something that the government is driving, in any case, when this move towards Covid zero policies in Australia was driven by what the electorates wanted. WA's government is hugely popular, and won 53/59 seats earlier this year in their election, 59.9% of the popular vote, and 69.7% on two party preferred.
  13. 80%+ fully vaccinated is seen as the figure that will allow us to move away from lockdowns. The reason for this is that at that point, the effective R number can be kept below 1 without such harsh restrictions. The only issue is that the modelling underpinning that required us to keep the Covid zero approach until then, but NSW has messed that up. Going to be an interesting few months, though things are virtually where I am.
  14. The issue around NSW has been that they didn't follow the health advice to lockdown at first, and this was cheered on as a great win by the Murdoch press. They tried to go the UK route of track and trace, and exactly as predicted by everyone else in the country, it went pear shaped rapidly. They, until today, still hadn't lockdown the state, instead going by regions, and they still haven't locked down to the extent that other states did. Ultimately though, Australia's economy has, overall, performed drastically better with this strategy than most others have. The issue now is that NSW mismanaged themselves into this mess trying to play politics with a virus, again underlining why just letting it burn just doesn't work. If we had a competent PM, this could all of been avoided of course, with some kind of national strategy, rather than just leaving it to states individually. That said, given Morrison's mistakes, it's probably been best that he's been asleep at the wheel in that regard. In the last year, I've been in lockdown for 10 days, and nobody in my state has died, let alone anyone I care about. Nobody I know has lost their job, and our economy as a whole has grown beyond the pre-Covid baseline. I'd say our strategy has worked pretty well.
  15. Get in! We've really come to life with Sibley on, and Stretton has looked dangerous leading up to that strike.
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