G STAR RAM Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Apologies if anyone was offended by anything I have posted earlier. Worrying times for everyone. Think I've made my point and obviously not many agree. No point in saying it over and over again so probably best that I refrain from posting in the thread any longer. All the best to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Apologies if anyone was offended by anything I have posted earlier. Worrying times for everyone. Think I've made my point and obviously not many agree. No point in saying it over and over again so probably best that I refrain from posting in the thread any longer. All the best to everyone. Yeah, get in to the politics thread and please start pulling a few chains with them bloody socialist (anti-capitalist) types ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Good effort, great cause! I did a little bit of donating this morning, to another fund... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 hours ago, David said: We have a group chat and recent messages have been read by everyone (including SaintRam), he's probably just taking some time out Thanks for the heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Van Gritters said: I find it really difficult to work out who would survive and who would die. What I do know is I have an uncle who has got emphysema and although his health isn’t very good he keeps on going. I know, without any medical experts advise, that he would not survive this virus, however I think he would carry on if he doesn’t. I think this is where the majority of the extra deaths will come from. Except there are people dying who don't have 'under-lying conditions'. Is the only way to find out to 'carry on'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: Except there are people dying who don't have 'under-lying conditions'. Is the only way to find out to 'carry on'? Yes true people react differently to all kinds of things. Some people get meningitis, peanut allergies people even react different to wasp and bee stings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Van Gritters said: Yes true people react differently to all kinds of things. Some people get meningitis, peanut allergies people even react different to wasp and bee stings. How many people do you think would get C19? How many 'extra' people would also die because all the 'services' were dealing with C19? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 They have set up a temporary primary care facility on the car park of Derby University on Kedleston Road (with another two planned elsewhere in the city) Quote Specialist "hot hub" assessment centres will open in Derby to help medical staff manage increasing numbers of Covid-19 patients. While many of the hubs will be in GP surgeries, three stand-alone units are being set up to open in the city, the NHS Derby and Derbyshire Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG) has confirmed. The first hub will open at the University of Derby's Kedleston Road campus on Monday, April 6, with the other two locations to be announced at a later date. The centres will see "acutely ill patients" who do not need a 999 ambulance, have followed all the NHS advice but have not got better and need further support. Visits to the new clinics will be by appointment-only to avoid the risk of spreading infection. Appointments will be made following a phone conversation between the patient and their local GP. Staffed by GPs, nurses and healthcare assistants, the hubs will not provide coronavirus tests. Medical staff can however refer patients to hospital to be cared for and tested there if required. Dr Susie Bayley, medical director of the General Practice task force in Derbyshire, said: “In Derbyshire we’re learning from colleagues across Europe and the world by putting measures in place now to ensure we’re ready to manage increasing numbers of Covid-19 patients in the safest possible way. “We’re leading the way in the county, and the units will mean hospitals will only be used by those in critical need and GP surgeries can be freed up to work with patients with other requirements." Patients are still advised to use the 111 NHS online advice service first, if they are concerned about their symptoms. Appointments at the University of Derby hub will take place from 10am until 7pm. It is expected up to 2,000 people will be seen every day once all of the three hubs are operational. That last line sounds like they are expecting a LOT of people ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Apologies if anyone was offended by anything I have posted earlier. Worrying times for everyone. Think I've made my point and obviously not many agree. No point in saying it over and over again so probably best that I refrain from posting in the thread any longer. All the best to everyone. There’s a lot of us trying to make sense of all this mate ,personally I seem to swing from being really worried one minute to feeling the government’s and scientist s have got it wrong all we will all be back to work next week ,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Archied said: There’s a lot of us trying to make sense of all this mate ,personally I seem to swing from being really worried one minute to feeling the government’s and scientist s have got it wrong all we will all be back to work next week ,, Imagine how I feel trying to do financial projections right now...head ready to explode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 4 hours ago, David said: We have a group chat and recent messages have been read by everyone (including SaintRam), he's probably just taking some time out Please send him our best wishes for a speedy recovery from all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 6 hours ago, ramit said: i suspect Icke may be what is called controlled opposition. Perhaps 5G is a major health concern for the public. What better way to shut up people holding that view than to make outrageous claims about it being the real Corona? https://www.5gexposed.com/finland/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 35 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: How many people do you think would get C19? How many 'extra' people would also die because all the 'services' were dealing with C19? I think most people will get C19 at some point and I haven’t a clue but this is why we’re in this situation to try not to overwhelm the NHS with a too bigger spike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Any need for the last line? That seems to be standard thing to say by people who cant back up what they are saying. The only stat that I think is important is the death rate. The death rate from the first 3 weeks of March compared with the last 5 years, show no significant increase in deaths, this despite the fact that coronavirus was allegedly brought into England on 1st January. Quote number of beds, number of NHS staff etc but it's all irrelevant. Sorry if you think I'm being obtuse or anything but I dont see the problem in wanting genuine questions answered before making my mind up on the the true consequences of this virus. Maybe you're happy to make your mind up on the back of sensationalist reporting, that's your prerogative. By which time there were fewer than 200 confirmed deaths after contracting CV - a minute sample size. Just over 1000 in the rest of March (just over a week) still has little impact when comparing with usual deaths in a month. However, 2000 CV related deaths in the first 3 days of April can be compared with peak flu-season ‘flu related deaths’ of 3000-3500 per week. Whereas 2000 flu-related deaths per week at this time of year is typical. So we’ve already hit the point where CV exceeds usual fly related deaths at this time of year and matches peak flu season, with signs suggesting it’ll still get worse for the next week or so. All of this is in spie of being in lockdown - just imagine how bad it could have been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 The mixed messages, worry, confusion and fear in our factory is unreal. On one hand we have senior management demanding normal production targets are met while 15% of the workforce are self isolating or off for 12 weeks (classed at risk due to age or illness). Also, office and non-production management are working from home while production line people are finding it impossible to keep a 2 metre distance. Agency and temps are coming in to cover the absence, making it even more difficult to manage the situation. HR are working from home but demanding we contact everyone who's off to put pressure on them in case they're swinging the lead. It seems very trivial compared to the conditions that NHS staff and carers are working in but its still mentally draining on shift. Our owners are trying their best to make extra money out of it, not quite up to Sports Direct standard but having a good go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Archied said: There’s a lot of us trying to make sense of all this mate ,personally I seem to swing from being really worried one minute to feeling the government’s and scientist s have got it wrong all we will all be back to work next week ,, Agreed - don't feel bad for musing out loud in here. I think we need this sort of platform for our own sanity. Hopefully you'll feel differently tomorrow @G STAR RAM. I always appreciate reading your input, even when I 100% disagree :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 On 31/03/2020 at 14:54, RamNut said: 99% of the public seem to be exercising common sense. Trouble is where do you draw the line? At some point I’d quite like to drive 40 miles to visit my 93 year old mum to check she’s ok. Is that essential? She has family near by so she is looked after but she is still lonely. Will some PC be able to decide that it isn’t essential and dish out a fine? Probably. Go for it. I'm more or less in the exact same position as you and I'm off to see her tomorrow. Taking her some shopping, she's letting me in back gate, sit in garden 2m or more apart no physical contact, give her someone to talk to face to face, do her more good than harm. Just got to be sensible and balance things up. Go and see her mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: The mixed messages, worry, confusion and fear in our factory is unreal. On one hand we have senior management demanding normal production targets are met while 15% of the workforce are self isolating or off for 12 weeks (classed at risk due to age or illness). Also, office and non-production management are working from home while production line people are finding it impossible to keep a 2 metre distance. Agency and temps are coming in to cover the absence, making it even more difficult to manage the situation. HR are working from home but demanding we contact everyone who's off to put pressure on them in case they're swinging the lead. It seems very trivial compared to the conditions that NHS staff and carers are working in but its still mentally draining on shift. Our owners are trying their best to make extra money out of it, not quite up to Sports Direct standard but having a good go. Just shut it down for four weeks. What’s the worst outcome? a shortage of biscuits for a few weeks? The alternative could be a corporate manslaughter charge. I can hear the radio adverts now. “Did your employer force you to work during the Coronavirus crisis? If so you could be entitled to compensation.....” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 52 minutes ago, bigbadbob said: Go for it. I'm more or less in the exact same position as you and I'm off to see her tomorrow. Taking her some shopping, she's letting me in back gate, sit in garden 2m or more apart no physical contact, give her someone to talk to face to face, do her more good than harm. Just got to be sensible and balance things up. Go and see her mate. I'm lucky that me mum only lives a mile away. I can drop off her groceries and stuff while doing me own shop. It breaks me heart to talk to her through the window as she's still grieving losing me dad before Christmas after 60 years of marriage, and I know she needs a hug. Lots of people in far worse positions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 53 minutes ago, RamNut said: Just shut it down for four weeks. What’s the worst outcome? a shortage of biscuits for a few weeks? The alternative could be a corporate manslaughter charge. I can hear the radio adverts now. “Did your employer force you to work during the Coronavirus crisis? If so you could be entitled to compensation.....” There are such things as key workers. How would the hospitals or food producers even homes carry on with no water electricity or drainage? People have to carry on. They are giving a service to the people of this country it’s not just the NHS that are out there. Some services need to be kept running because if not the consequences could be far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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