GboroRam Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Norman said: I do feel sorry for all of you who are wishing for WWIII just so you can be proven right in your own heads over Trump. You know that however we feel won't actually affect the outcome? If it's a masterstroke of genius or a colossal disaster, it is what it is. I'm just pointing this out in case Brexit turns into a disaster or WWIII starts - it's because of decisions politicians took, not because I was "wishing for it". How I feel is irrelevant. For the record I'm completely neutral on the Brexit thing. Whatever happens happens. I'd prefer not to start World War 3 though, I'm definitely in favour of that not happening, even if it shows that bombing Iranian Generals is a bad thing, like I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Norman said: I do feel sorry for all of you who are wishing for WWIII just so you can be proven right in your own heads over Trump. Who exactly are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 57 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: I don't think anyone wants a world war, more worried that a certain person will drop us into one because his housekeeper will have not gotten the cookie dough ice cream in, or his hair gets singed by the fire while its drying on its stand. Anyway, if there is a world war I guess it will up the socialists to win it …. you know, like last time.? The next war could easily be a cyber one. Our Head of IT Security was telling us yesterday that Iran hacked and defaced a US government website - just to show that they can. With the coming "internet of things" that could cause all sorts of trouble.......could theoretically drop airliners out of the sky etc tc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: The next war could easily be a cyber one. Our Head of IT Security was telling us yesterday that Iran hacked and defaced a US government website - just to show that they can. With the coming "internet of things" that could cause all sorts of trouble.......could theoretically drop airliners out of the sky etc tc Cyber warfare has been waged for well over a decade already. For a bit of light reading Google STUXNET. As per the IoT, it's nothing new. IoT is just a rebranding of tech that's been available and in use for yonks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: The next war could easily be a cyber one. Our Head of IT Security was telling us yesterday that Iran hacked and defaced a US government website - just to show that they can. With the coming "internet of things" that could cause all sorts of trouble.......could theoretically drop airliners out of the sky etc tc True enough = cyber + horrendous massive terrorist attacks then big secret demand. The North Koreans conventional forces are a joke, its the 27,000 SF on the loose you have to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Cyber warfare has been waged for well over a decade already. For a bit of light reading Google STUXNET. As per the IoT, it's nothing new. IoT is just a rebranding of tech that's been available and in use for yonks. STUXNET as in the alleged covert US operation that took out the Iranian nuclear enrichment facility (there was a program on it a couple of years back) by overriding the control software? Yes, there has been at least that one example. How many others - no idea. But waging primary cyber warfare in the generally understood concept of trashing states and economies and causing potentially significant casualties? Are there examples of this (proven or alleged?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: But waging primary cyber warfare in the generally understood concept of trashing states and economies and causing potentially significant casualties? Are there examples of this (proven or alleged?) Not that I know of, but doesn't mean it won't happen Saw a joke on Twitter saying that Iranian hackers should break into the US banking system and clear all student debt, that would then remove one of the primary recruitment tools that the US army has and decimate their ability to build a fighting force for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 48 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Cyber warfare has been waged for well over a decade already. For a bit of light reading Google STUXNET. As per the IoT, it's nothing new. IoT is just a rebranding of tech that's been available and in use for yonks. Not really. It's about everything being connected, from people & household goods to transport (including autonomous vehicles) & any other sort of infrastructure and using artificial intelligence to exchange vast amounts of data without the need of human intervention. It's been talked about for ages but most of it isn't available yet - it's what the fuss about everywhere needing 5G connectivity is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Highgate said: That's a mixed metaphor stretched to breaking point. Anyway, something about bulls..... Did I tell you that? Sorry it's not the link you were looking for, but I'd hate to disappoint and not give you anything to read. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/17102019/climate-change-meat-beef-dairy-methane-emissions-california I know how enthusiastically you read all these from start to finish ? Told ya, ya told me.. Farming will kill us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 54 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: STUXNET as in the alleged covert US operation that took out the Iranian nuclear enrichment facility (there was a program on it a couple of years back) by overriding the control software? Yes, there has been at least that one example. How many others - no idea. But waging primary cyber warfare in the generally understood concept of trashing states and economies and causing potentially significant casualties? Are there examples of this (proven or alleged?) In fairness buddy your original post did not refer to 'primary cyber warfare'. I responded because I thought you might be interested in the STUXNET case ?♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 37 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: Not really. It's about everything being connected, from people & household goods to transport (including autonomous vehicles) & any other sort of infrastructure and using artificial intelligence to exchange vast amounts of data without the need of human intervention. It's been talked about for ages but most of it isn't available yet - it's what the fuss about everywhere needing 5G connectivity is about. We'll have to disagree buddy, especially around the whole 5G piece. Wire where you can, wireless where you can't has been an IT mantra for years and 5G is simply the latest whizzbang wireless standard. IoT predates ubiquitous wireless by a stretch. Even the term IoT is over 20 years old now. Sorry, I'm an IT geek so this is kind of my field. Have a peep at the following if you like - it's a few years old but it does offer a brief and not too technical overview of IoT history. It does reaffirm the old Carnegie Melon myth about it's origins but in essence the timelines are pretty accurate. https://www.dataversity.net/brief-history-internet-things/# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: We'll have to disagree buddy, especially around the whole 5G piece. Wire where you can, wireless where you can't has been an IT mantra for years and 5G is simply the latest whizzbang wireless standard. IoT predates ubiquitous wireless by a stretch. Even the term IoT is over 20 years old now. Sorry, I'm an IT geek so this is kind of my field. Have a peep at the following if you like - it's a few years old but it does offer a brief and not too technical overview of IoT history. It does reaffirm the old Carnegie Melon myth about it's origins but in essence the timelines are pretty accurate. https://www.dataversity.net/brief-history-internet-things/# Fair enough. I'll bow to your IT geekness, as I'm going on definitions given by UK Govt, for future funded Research & Development projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: In fairness buddy your original post did not refer to 'primary cyber warfare'. I responded because I thought you might be interested in the STUXNET case ?♀️ Was and watched a good program on it - interesting. The line between an "operation" and "war" is now more or less invisible. I wondered whether or when we might get a cyber war as an alternative to boots on the ground. Not quite yet it would seem,but presumably not far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 US media claiming that the Ukrainian airlines plane was shot down mistakenly by Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, alexxxxx said: US media claiming that the Ukrainian airlines plane was shot down mistakenly by Iran. Will be interesting to see if we ever find out the truth. The fact iran won't hand over the black boxes to boeing does seem telling. If it is true what an horrific mistake to make. So sad so many innocent lives lost by some political chest beating, potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I've seen people blaming Keogh, give your heads a wobble. He was only in charge of the Iranian defence, yet uncharacteristically panicked. 1 hour ago, alexxxxx said: US media claiming that the Ukrainian airlines plane was shot down mistakenly by Iran. 8 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Will be interesting to see if we ever find out the truth. The fact iran won't hand over the black boxes to boeing does seem telling. If it is true what an horrific mistake to make. So sad so many innocent lives lost by some political chest beating, potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Will be interesting to see if we ever find out the truth. The fact iran won't hand over the black boxes to boeing does seem telling. If it is true what an horrific mistake to make. So sad so many innocent lives lost by some political chest beating, potentially. The plane was only 2 minutes into the air from the airport when it went down. i find it hard to believe that Iranian AA operators would mistake an ascending large blip for a low flying B52 bomber. The timing of the plane going down is however suspicious to me. There appears to have been fire in one of the engines. This is the only footage i have found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, ramit said: The plane was only 2 minutes into the air from the airport when it went down. i find it hard to believe that Iranian AA operators would mistake an ascending large blip for a low flying B52 bomber. The timing of the plane going down is however suspicious to me. There appears to have been fire in one of the engines. This is the only footage i have found How come it’s so bright in the sky? Unless the plane is flying directly at you it wouldn’t be that lit up. It could have been on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Me Mum always said that when their was any potential bad news or discontent in the country. That the government would get the royal family to announce a new royal baby, a wedding or even a funeral, in an attempt to distract the puplic. The Megan and Harry thing is probably the best they can come up with at short notice. I think they're saving the Duke of Edinburgh just in case the whole brexit thing goes tits-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimbeard Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 06/01/2020 at 03:47, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Why's that then? You like all that no surrender to the IRA BS or are you just some old edgelord craving some attention? First of all, I have no idea what an 'edgelord' might be. As to the rest, I don't believe in surrender to the IRA, I do believe that leaving the E.U. is a good idea and I also believe that Boris is a far better option than Commisar Corbyn. Problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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