Day Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Tbf I’m never happy with a team sheet, but im proper pissed off with that one tonight. Especially when the only change is Martin and that’s not even for another striker. Why not wait to see what Cocu says after the game, might not be 100%, could have been ill, injured, a number of other reasons? Being pissed off before a ball has been kicked, bit weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Martin dropped is the only change That sounds unwarranted unless cocu is set upon a style that is completely unsuited to Martin's game. Ie a style that has no movement, 3rd man runs, no midfield support...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, TuffLuff said: First home game since Chris Martin’s return to the team and he’s on the bench ? So strange. You'd expect it to go other way around, Martin playing home games and Waggy/Marriott away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Seems a bit harsh on Martin. He cant do much if the ball doesnt get to him, but hopefully its a change in reaction to however Wigan plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 If we aren’t doing the business what price Martin and Marriott together as game changers 70 mins in. I wouldn’t mind seeing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, David said: Why not wait to see what Cocu says after the game, might not be 100%, could have been ill, injured, a number of other reasons? Being pissed off before a ball has been kicked, bit weird. If he’s any of those things then he shouldn’t be on the bench either imho. I’m just fed up of this squad of players frankly, all you want from a football team is for them to at least put the work in. It’s a basic expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Martin dropped is the only change Not sure how Martin is dropped instead of Waghorn, hope Waghorn makes me eat my words! Great to see Holmes back in the starting line up, time for a sing song.......sing up! "But the way I feel just makes me wanna scream.......Duane Holmes, Duane Holmes, Duane Holmes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: If he’s any of those things then he shouldn’t be on the bench either imho. I’m just fed up of this squad of players frankly, all you want from a football team is for them to at least put the work in. It’s a basic expectation. Well I don’t know what you are expecting to see an hour before kick off, have you ever not liked a team and watch them go out and completely dismantle the other side? Players carrying knocks, not 100% have been making the bench for as long as I’ve known and happens all over whether you agree with it or not. Martin might be perfectly fine and completely tactical decision which could come off. Plenty of time to be pissed off after the game and listened to the managers thoughts on why he picked the team if you still feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleEatonRam Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: If he’s any of those things then he shouldn’t be on the bench either imho. I’m just fed up of this squad of players frankly, all you want from a football team is for them to at least put the work in. It’s a basic expectation. Chris Wilder said something recently after Sheff Utd played Leicester that he doesn't praise effort because it's a normal thing to do, and that is the first time I've ever heard a manager say that. I've always thought effort is the bare minimum requirement, the very least I expect from a professional football player. It's amazing how many fans seem to regard it as almost a praiseworthy trait or characteristic in a player though. Bryson won POTY in his first season because he basically ran around a lot and people thought it was amazing. Very refreshing to hear someone in the game say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, LittleEatonRam said: Chris Wilder said something recently after Sheff Utd played Leicester that he doesn't praise effort because it's a normal thing to do, and that is the first time I've ever heard a manager say that. I've always thought effort is the bare minimum requirement, the very least I expect from a professional football player. It's amazing how many fans seem to regard it as almost a praiseworthy trait or characteristic in a player though. Bryson won POTY in his first season because he basically ran around a lot and people thought it was amazing. Very refreshing to hear someone in the game say the same thing. Exactly, we don’t take a strong enough stance on it imo. You drop players for not putting the work in, not only does it give the message to the outgoing players, but also to the incoming players- you don’t work hard, you’ll be out as quickly as they were. All we do is create a cycle where it seems a lack of effort is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, superzak said: Mount Tomori and Wilson really papered over the cracks of a poor squad last season. Without those three i doubt Frank would have fared any better than Cocu is doing this season. At a guess Frank's obvious charisma and hard work we're all in together lads might get a bit more juice out the squad in terms of just commitment, but with Frank's continuing "yeah, whatever" defending school of though, we'd probably ship a few and score a lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, David said: Well I don’t know what you are expecting to see an hour before kick off, have you ever not liked a team and watch them go out and completely dismantle the other side? Players carrying knocks, not 100% have been making the bench for as long as I’ve known and happens all over whether you agree with it or not. Martin might be perfectly fine and completely tactical decision which could come off. Plenty of time to be pissed off after the game and listened to the managers thoughts on why he picked the team if you still feel that way. I’d expect to see players who couldn’t be arsed Saturday not get given the shirt tonight, simply put. Not saying that the side is incapable of wining the match, it’s more about setting a precedent for poor effort and performances. Maybe there’s been something said behind closed doors to them all, I hope so, but I’m still convinced that the far better strategy is to drop those who don’t give 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Millenniumram said: Exactly, we don’t take a strong enough stance on it imo. You drop players for not putting the work in, not only does it give the message to the outgoing players, but also to the incoming players- you don’t work hard, you’ll be out as quickly as they were. All we do is create a cycle where it seems a lack of effort is acceptable. You can commit serious offences and walk straight back in too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Norman said: You can commit serious offences and walk straight back in too. Not in a straight line you can’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Spalding Ram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, jono said: If we aren’t doing the business what price Martin and Marriott together as game changers 70 mins in. I wouldn’t mind seeing that what price Martin and Marriott together as game changers 10 mins in. I wouldn’t mind seeing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just now, Millenniumram said: I’d expect to see players who couldn’t be arsed Saturday not get given the shirt tonight, simply put. Not saying that the side is incapable of wining the match, it’s more about setting a precedent for poor effort and performances. Maybe there’s been something said behind closed doors to them all, I hope so, but I’m still convinced that the far better strategy is to drop those who don’t give 100%. We don’t have this warehouse of 100% fit footballers we can just pick a new one out from and dispose a used one. Some will have to keep their place because we have no other options. Hope your manager at work doesn’t have the same mentality, had bad day? Get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Norman said: You can commit serious offences and walk straight back in too. Same at Sheffield United. Caught early hours Friday morning, on the pitch Monday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake the ram Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 We are going down unless big changes.ive bin every home and away game this season and we have bin half decent twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Norman said: You can commit serious offences and walk straight back in too. Blimey. Cant you let it go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 The faux outrage on here. So weird. Anyway, could this potentially be a 3-5-2 tonight? It could well be the same formation as usual with Holmes on the wing, but it could also be... - - - - - - - - - - - Roos - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Davies - Bielik - Clarke - - - - Bogle - - Holmes - - Shinnie - - Malone - - - - - - - Lawrence - Paterson - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Waghorn - - - - - - - - - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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