If Lawrence and Bennett play......?

[Ghost of Clough]

6 minutes ago, Sexydadbod said:

So ever so slightly less worse then? The event was all about how harmful alcohol is. He should know better, then again Russell and Hendrick called him dumb so I shouldn’t be surprised .

There’s a big difference between the two. One is specifically about stopping the person attending from drink driving in the future. The other is watching a few old blokes walk around kicking a football. 

[AbuDerbyDave]

7 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

I hope the judge shows a little less leniency than Derby County Football Club "APPEAR" to have done.

I hope your not the judge.

[Chester40]

7 minutes ago, cheron85 said:

Jolly good for you - It wasn't aimed at you so you don't get to judge the way someone else might feel about it

Once might be a joke but @David gets this over and over and over and over from members of this forum who seem to take this place as a right rather the a privilege and if he gets bored of it after a while I don't blame him - Especially in a week when him and the mods have probably had to put in more hours of their personal lives into this place

I think a little respect for the job they do that we all benefit from wouldn't go amiss  

Get over yourself,  I get to 'judge' what I want...it's called an opinion and this is a forum so I would suggest that's kinda the point.  Thanks for the advice though. 

[G-Ram]

2 hours ago, gccrowdpleaser said:

Just had a look back at the last 4 high profile Drink driving footballer cases.

2019 - Drinkwater - fine and wasn't playing anyway

2018 - Hugo Loris - fined and played next game

2017 - Rooney - fined two weeks wages and played next game

2016 - Yaya Toure - fined one weeks wages and played next game

As with any club Derby will look at similar situations in order to work out their own position.  I don't agree with the punishments in any of those situations but it goes to show it isn't just Derby that make poor decisions. Everton, Spurs and Man City too.

Some will argue that those other players didnt injure anyone in a crash but regardless their acts were equally reckless and had the potential to end in the same way. I'm disappointed but on reading this I'm not surprised. 

 

I think the differences between them incidents and the one last week are;

Being on a club outing, the snap chat stuff, the videos & screenshots doing the rounds. Us lot being Derby fans & emotionally more involved feeling annoed & disappointed etc 

In the other cases hugo loris wasnt on spurs outing and only disgraced himself rather than himself & the club. Totally agreed we'll look at other clubs on how to take action 

For purely football reasons i understand includin Lawrence. For all we slag him off he's a decent midtable championship player. Bennett however is league one at best shouldn't be included in my opinion 

[PodgeyRam]

Taking a reasoned approach I thought it would be a good decision to rehabilitate them into the squad - you know, everyone deserves second chances and all that. 

But seeing the pair of them in the quad tonight made me feel a little sick. Is paying their dues really just missing one game of football? Is that how low we as a club have sunk?

I was playing five-a-side tonight and had to explain why my club had started two players currently being charged for drink driving - something that could have ended much much worse but for the grace of God. And I couldn't do it. I couldn't defend it. 

Nevermind the fact that Lawrence apparently contributed to our goals (I don't know as I haven't seen them), but I'm of the opinion all it does is drive a wedge between the supporters and the team. How can the supporters get behind the team when there are two players in it that they would rather never wore the shirt again?

Not happy with Cocu for playing them, or Mel for giving them the chance of playing and not suspending them until the court case was done. 

[TuffLuff]

I think in a few threads there’s been some OTT responses to all this tonight and I hope in the morning some clearer heads may prevail. 

Not quite sure what info people have but I’m pretty confident that trying to retrieve some normality after a week like last week isn’t the worst thing to be doing. Also I’m pretty sure it’s the norm for players in this situation to get back to playing football. The courts proceeding should be a completely seperate situation to the workings of your football club. I imagine the worst thing you can do is make the world stop because there is a court date coming up. 

We, as individual people, would ofcourse do things different, because we all consider perfect moral specimens who always do right. But in reality that is no way as easy a proposition for Morris, Cocu or the club in general. A lot more goes on behind closed doors than what us fans see.

We’ve had our outbursts last week. We all need to start looking at all this a bit more rationally in my eyes rather than pointing fingers for the sake of it.

[Sheikh n Bake]

4 minutes ago, TuffLuff said:

I think in a few threads there’s been some OTT responses to all this tonight and I hope in the morning some clearer heads may prevail. 

Not quite sure what info people have but I’m pretty confident that trying to retrieve some normality after a week like last week isn’t the worst thing to be doing. Also I’m pretty sure it’s the norm for players in this situation to get back to playing football. The courts proceeding should be a completely seperate situation to the workings of your football club. I imagine the worst thing you can do is make the world stop because there is a court date coming up. 

We, as individual people, would ofcourse do things different, because we all consider perfect moral specimens who always do right. But in reality that is no way as easy a proposition for Morris, Cocu or the club in general. A lot more goes on behind closed doors than what us fans see.

We’ve had our outbursts last week. We all need to start looking at all this a bit more rationally in my eyes rather than pointing fingers for the sake of it.

Nah. duck those guys.

[uttoxram75]

I don't agree with Derby playing Lawrence and Bennett. Should have waited for the court case, see what the charges are then make a call on how to manage the situation from there. That's my opinion. It might not be David's or Boycie's or Rynny's or any of the other mods. We don't see each other, we don't socialise, so we're not affected or influenced by each others opinions.

I also don't agree with equating this forum with official DCFC policy. Every day on here there are loads of posts criticising all aspects of the club from the owner to the manager and players and the catering staff......its not perfect, we can't talk like we would in the pub amongst friends, but we can all put our opinion over whatever the topic as long as its within the rules.

When David posts his opinion its just that, his opinion. 

DCFC will always take an interest in this forum because it is the most popular Rams board on the net, but I can tell you honestly that David has never tried to sway us mods into pushing the official club line, he mainly wants us to stop him being sued to high heaven for libellous posts or shut down by google for posts showing big, bouncy, bare breasts. Yes, I realise there was no need for typing big and bouncy but if we were going to post bare breasts they probably would be big and bouncy.....sorry, I digress, I'll possibly be called a brown noser by some, (definitely by Boycie!!!) for posting in support of David but anyone who knows me personally will know I'm not that sort of person. If David was using this forum to cull criticism of the club then I'd no longer be a mod. Its as open and honest as its possible to be in this mad age we live in.

If David was just parroting the official club line every time he would be rightly called to task and the forum would decline accordingly. Its not an official DCFC forum, its privately owned by a bloke who sometimes must think its not worth the hassle.

 

 

Surely I must get Boycie's job after that bossman??

 

[MuespachRam]

2 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

I don't agree with Derby playing Lawrence and Bennett. Should have waited for the court case, see what the charges are then make a call on how to manage the situation from there. That's my opinion. It might not be David's or Boycie's or Rynny's or any of the other mods. We don't see each other, we don't socialise, so we're not affected or influenced by each others opinions.

I also don't agree with equating this forum with official DCFC policy. Every day on here there are loads of posts criticising all aspects of the club from the owner to the manager and players and the catering staff......its not perfect, we can't talk like we would in the pub amongst friends, but we can all put our opinion over whatever the topic as long as its within the rules.

When David posts his opinion its just that, his opinion. 

DCFC will always take an interest in this forum because it is the most popular Rams board on the net, but I can tell you honestly that David has never tried to sway us mods into pushing the official club line, he mainly wants us to stop him being sued to high heaven for libellous posts or shut down by google for posts showing big, bouncy, bare breasts. Yes, I realise there was no need for typing big and bouncy but if we were going to post bare breasts they probably would be big and bouncy.....sorry, I digress, I'll possibly be called a brown noser by some, (definitely by Boycie!!!) for posting in support of David but anyone who knows me personally will know I'm not that sort of person. If David was using this forum to cull criticism of the club then I'd no longer be a mod. Its as open and honest as its possible to be in this mad age we live in.

If David was just parroting the official club line every time he would be rightly called to task and the forum would decline accordingly. Its not an official DCFC forum, its privately owned by a bloke who sometimes must think its not worth the hassle.

 

 

Surely I must get Boycie's job after that bossman??

 

Pull your tongue out of his ******** Gary, dogs go that, you’re not a dog are you? Although you do display all the characteristics of a dog, except loyalty...

[Mucker1884]

7 hours ago, AbuDerbyDave said:

I hope your not the judge.

First off, I negated to put "If they are found guilty", so apologies for my omission.

It "appears" that the club have either "Allowed them some time off to get over the event" (A few day's training, and one match), or at the very sternest, unofficially suspended them for one game.

I take it you would therefore prefer the judge to either find them not guilty, or at least allow them to go unpunished?

[Angry Ram]

11 hours ago, Mostyn6 said:

If football has nothing to do with their crime, why should they be excluded?

They are not being excluded though are they. They still turn up to work, train as normal and get paid as normal.

What we are saying is that it is too soon to put them in the team. Let’s look at it like I had been the driver and for some reason the accident and circumstances became public knowledge and was all over social media. My employer might still keep me employed but choose not for me to attend certain client meetings until everything had blown over at least a little.

The whole episode yesterday was quite shocking on a number of levels. Morris going to the fan park and walking around the pitch, looks stupid and hypocritical now.. Another in a long line of PR rooster ups from him. The players are not that crucial to the team, so why alter a winning team? What does that say to the starting 11 against Brum? Zoon v Lawrence? Meh..

Anyone involved last week does deserve the opportunity to make amends. I would expect an apology from all of them as a minimum after the court case. If the club feels selling them is the right option, then I am 109% behind that. If they show sufficient remorse both externally and more importantly, internally when it will be obvious it’s not just words. If then the club decides to keep them, then I would support that. 

But lets have it right.. Yesterday was wrong.

COYR

[AndyinLiverpool]

What is the club's line after last night?

Have they made a statement about Lawrence's and Bennett's selection?

I couldn't see anything on the website.

[Armchair Critic]

As someone who has lost friends to drunk drivers I have an emotional investment in the situation and hope both of them never wear a Derby shift again.

 

So i was incredibly disappointed when I saw them playing last night.

[Bigfella]

14 hours ago, GadFly said:

Right so if I vocally express my distaste at the fact a club employee has endangered the lives of myself and anyone else I know that uses the roads in the area, that means I can't call myself a supporter of their employers? 

I said “personally” that means it is my view - you can do what you like that’s up to you.

[Mostyn6]

I think picking them both last night was a bit of clever thinking. Until they were picked, almost every press conference and interview would've been dominated by "will you be picking Lawrence and Bennett ever again". It's done now.

[Spanish]

30 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

As someone who has lost friends to drunk drivers I have an emotional investment in the situation and hope both of them never wear a Derby shift again.

 

So i was incredibly disappointed when I saw them playing last night.

honestly sorry to hear that.  The issue for me is that for some it isn't actually the offence that is a problem it is the fact they did it while at DCFC.  Quite happy if they did the same terrible thing elsewhere, makes no sense to me

[GadFly]

Why aren't the FA stepping in over this? 

Bernado Silva gets a ban for a questionable tweet... get absolutely wankered and drive home, endangering innocent people's lives though - no issue! 

[AndyinLiverpool]

57 minutes ago, Spanish said:

honestly sorry to hear that.  The issue for me is that for some it isn't actually the offence that is a problem it is the fact they did it while at DCFC.  Quite happy if they did the same terrible thing elsewhere, makes no sense to me

I don't think that's the case. I think the general feeling is that the actual offence is paramount here and those that are appalled by it have said so. That DCFC deemed it fine for them to both play last night is actually a separate issue. The first is disgraceful, the second is embarrassing and disappointing.

If Lawrence and Bennett did it at any other club, it wouldn't be any less disgraceful.

[AndyinLiverpool]

1 hour ago, Mostyn6 said:

I think picking them both last night was a bit of clever thinking. Until they were picked, almost every press conference and interview would've been dominated by "will you be picking Lawrence and Bennett ever again". It's done now.

A tactical move to avoid uncomfortable moments in press conferences? That's spineless beyond belief.

[Spanish]

14 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

I don't think that's the case. I think the general feeling is that the actual offence is paramount here and those that are appalled by it have said so. That DCFC deemed it fine for them to both play last night is actually a separate issue. The first is disgraceful, the second is embarrassing and disappointing.

If Lawrence and Bennett did it at any other club, it wouldn't be any less disgraceful.

You must have read the comments relating to Wayne Rooney, you may be right but it seems to me that here are a fair few that see it differently